I've tried. Oh boy, have I tried! I look at every little telco farm along the road, cruise the railroad crossings looking for fiber, visit the county engineers office asking for maps of underground lines............. Call the local telco/cable office, beat up the Time Warner guy or gal for info...... It's all one big ol' secret.
OH! One county that I'm in, they have a guy whose only job is to HELP provide info for the betterment of business and to help the rural folk. His answer when I ask if he can find out fiber locations....... His answer.... "Wow, great idea! But... I dunno". End of conversation. Sucks. Me- -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What if you can't get a T3? Agreed. It amazes me how little people know about the telecommunications infrastructure in their area. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/20/2010 5:57 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > I have been quietly watching this discussion.... > > I don't claim to be an expert, but being a wire line ISP, let me add / > clarify some thoughts / facts .... > > T1 / T3 or DS3 / OC3 are all TDM / Legacy services........ > > T1, can be extended (long distance) via field repeaters... (T1's are > based on HDSL technology and go about 12000ft from the CO or > Repeater.) > T3/DS3 are peeled off OC3 or Sonet (optical) Muxes....These are larger > expensive pieces of equipment that require a lot of power and are fiber fed. > > While all of the legacy TDM services are regulated (i.e the price is > disclosed on a tariff) but the ILEC is allowed to recover build out > costs... these costs are high, in addition, the ILEC's are also aware > that these High Cap transports are used by other Competitors and as > such exercise full discretion on discouraging purchase of these > circuits, by using extra inflated build out costs, and if you agree to > pay that, then the 2nd option they use is extra extra long build out > time schedule... 9 to 12 months easy. > > For Enterprise customers, they will do the build at no cost or little > cost, but the Enterprise customer also has to provide them with space > and power, typically 2-3 racks of space and 20-40 amps of power. > > Today, the ILEC's are not interested in doing such buildout, unless > someone is buying SONET transport from them or a bundle of multiple > DS3's / OC'3 combination, and there are a few more if's... > > The most cost effective form of transport that an ISP / WISP can > purchase from a Carrier (ILEC or Cable Co or another type of provider) > would be Ethernet ...... > 100Meg or Gig E.... While these are un-regulated services, which means > an ILEC's can exercise their discretion on providing this type of > service to you and I or another Carrier.... however in many places > (typically office buildings in a metro downtown area) would have > equipment / fiber already installed that they can deliver the service > at that location. > > These days the local Cable Company who has been doing fiber build outs > for their cable plants is also pretty eager to sell IP Transit or > Ethernet Transport over the Fiber system.. Most of them are working on > a pretty fair means of pricing the fiber service and will not > discriminate against service providers... (most of them...) > > Another often overlooked fiber carrier is the local Power Company..... > Most power companies have a "Fiber / Network Division" they have been > the largest providers of dark fiber for a lot of carriers (including > cell carriers, when they cell carriers were not owned by the ILEC and > the ILEC would not provide them high speed pipes to the cell towers..). > But these folks are normally harder to track down unless they are > aggressively selling services... > > I often collect Network Maps from carriers and competitive service > providers, just to be able to find out what are "On-Net" locations for > them... make life much easier in determining where to pickup the > service from rather than having them do the buildout and bring them to > where you are.... > > Hope this helps. > > Regards > > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet& Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, Fl 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net > > > On 7/20/2010 6:19 PM, RickG wrote: >> In my previous life as an AT&T Cellular switch manager, we had >> hundreds of T1's& T3's ordered that never came in - yes, I mean >> never. And we practically had a blank check! >> -RickG >> >> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Kristian Hoffmann<kh...@fire2wire.com> wrote: >> >>> After about a year of getting the same response from AT&T after >>> multiple order requests at different locations across our network, >>> the guy in charge of building out fiber for the region called and >>> said "what in the world are you guys doing?!?" He ended up giving >>> us the location of a few fiber terminals in the area. We found the >>> ones closest to our network, made an agreement with a tenant nearby, >>> and did a wireless PtP to connect it to our network. >>> >>> Moral of the story, we were shooting in the dark until we had an >>> "in" in the right department at AT&T. >>> >>> On a related note, does anyone have an experience with Charter's >>> fiber services? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kristian Hoffmann >>> System Administrator >>> kh...@fire2wire.com >>> http://www.fire2wire.com >>> >>> Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - >>> 800-905-FIRE >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 22:33 -0500, Roger Howard wrote: >>> >>>> Quick alert to those who are not aware... back when I was running >>>> my business on T1 lines, I just assumed that when I was ready, I >>>> could order a T3 and upgrade my bandwidth. Not so. >>>> >>>> Just because you can get a T1 doesn't mean you can get a T3 without >>>> huge buildout costs. I was quoted $400,000 dollars to upgrade to a T3. >>>> I managed to get around it because otherwise AT&T would have had to >>>> install a high count copper line down my road to be able to keep >>>> offering POTS service here, so I got lucky, and had a free install. >>>> But you may not be that fortunate. >>>> >>>> I just thought if I posted this, it might give some people a heads >>>> up to start planning for more bandwidth when you're coming close to >>>> needing t3 type capacity. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Roger >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ------------- >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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