Well .. it is like plumbing.... How many of us know the Plumbing and Drainage infrastructure in our areas .... ?
(Myself.... very little, cause I don't have to deal with it... :) ) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet& Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: [email protected] On 7/20/2010 11:57 PM, RickG wrote: > It amazes me how little people know about telecommunications > infrastructure - or lack thereof. > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Mike Hammett<[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Agreed. It amazes me how little people know about the >> telecommunications infrastructure in their area. >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> On 7/20/2010 5:57 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >> >>> I have been quietly watching this discussion.... >>> >>> I don't claim to be an expert, but being a wire line ISP, let me add / >>> clarify some thoughts / facts .... >>> >>> T1 / T3 or DS3 / OC3 are all TDM / Legacy services........ >>> >>> T1, can be extended (long distance) via field repeaters... (T1's are >>> based on HDSL technology and go about 12000ft from the CO or Repeater.) >>> T3/DS3 are peeled off OC3 or Sonet (optical) Muxes....These are larger >>> expensive pieces of equipment that require a lot of power and are fiber fed. >>> >>> While all of the legacy TDM services are regulated (i.e the price is >>> disclosed on a tariff) but the ILEC is allowed to recover build out >>> costs... these costs are high, >>> in addition, the ILEC's are also aware that these High Cap transports >>> are used by other Competitors and as such exercise full discretion on >>> discouraging purchase of these circuits, by using extra inflated build >>> out costs, and if you agree to pay that, then the 2nd option they use is >>> extra extra long build out time schedule... 9 to 12 months easy. >>> >>> For Enterprise customers, they will do the build at no cost or little >>> cost, but the Enterprise customer also has to provide them with space >>> and power, typically 2-3 racks of space and 20-40 amps of power. >>> >>> Today, the ILEC's are not interested in doing such buildout, unless >>> someone is buying SONET transport from them or a bundle of multiple >>> DS3's / OC'3 combination, and there are a few more if's... >>> >>> The most cost effective form of transport that an ISP / WISP can >>> purchase from a Carrier (ILEC or Cable Co or another type of provider) >>> would be Ethernet ...... >>> 100Meg or Gig E.... While these are un-regulated services, which means >>> an ILEC's can exercise their discretion on providing this type of >>> service to you and I or another Carrier.... however in many places >>> (typically office buildings in a metro downtown area) would have >>> equipment / fiber already installed that they can deliver the service at >>> that location. >>> >>> These days the local Cable Company who has been doing fiber build outs >>> for their cable plants is also pretty eager to sell IP Transit or >>> Ethernet Transport over the Fiber system.. Most of them are working on a >>> pretty fair means of pricing the fiber service and will not discriminate >>> against service providers... (most of them...) >>> >>> Another often overlooked fiber carrier is the local Power Company..... >>> Most power companies have a "Fiber / Network Division" they have been >>> the largest providers of dark fiber for a lot of carriers (including >>> cell carriers, when they cell carriers were not owned by the ILEC and >>> the ILEC would not provide them high speed pipes to the cell towers..). >>> But these folks are normally harder to track down unless they are >>> aggressively selling services... >>> >>> I often collect Network Maps from carriers and competitive service >>> providers, just to be able to find out what are "On-Net" locations for >>> them... make life much easier in determining where to pickup the service >>> from rather than having them do the buildout and bring them to where you >>> are.... >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>> Miami, Fl 33155 >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> On 7/20/2010 6:19 PM, RickG wrote: >>> >>>> In my previous life as an AT&T Cellular switch manager, we had >>>> hundreds of T1's& T3's ordered that never came in - yes, I mean >>>> never. And we practically had a blank check! >>>> -RickG >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Kristian Hoffmann<[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> After about a year of getting the same response from AT&T after multiple >>>>> order requests at different locations across our network, the guy in >>>>> charge of building out fiber for the region called and said "what in the >>>>> world are you guys doing?!?" He ended up giving us the location of a >>>>> few fiber terminals in the area. We found the ones closest to our >>>>> network, made an agreement with a tenant nearby, and did a wireless PtP >>>>> to connect it to our network. >>>>> >>>>> Moral of the story, we were shooting in the dark until we had an "in" in >>>>> the right department at AT&T. >>>>> >>>>> On a related note, does anyone have an experience with Charter's fiber >>>>> services? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kristian Hoffmann >>>>> System Administrator >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://www.fire2wire.com >>>>> >>>>> Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 22:33 -0500, Roger Howard wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Quick alert to those who are not aware... back when I was running my >>>>>> business on T1 lines, I just assumed that when I was ready, I could >>>>>> order a T3 and upgrade my bandwidth. Not so. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just because you can get a T1 doesn't mean you can get a T3 without >>>>>> huge buildout costs. I was quoted $400,000 dollars to upgrade to a T3. >>>>>> I managed to get around it because otherwise AT&T would have had to >>>>>> install a high count copper line down my road to be able to keep >>>>>> offering POTS service here, so I got lucky, and had a free install. >>>>>> But you may not be that fortunate. >>>>>> >>>>>> I just thought if I posted this, it might give some people a heads up >>>>>> to start planning for more bandwidth when you're coming close to >>>>>> needing t3 type capacity. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Roger >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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