I do. ;-) The difference, however, is that our livelihoods are telecommunications and far too often people don't know what's around them.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/20/2010 11:24 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > Well .. it is like plumbing.... > > How many of us know the Plumbing and Drainage infrastructure in our > areas .... ? > > (Myself.... very little, cause I don't have to deal with it... :) ) > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet& Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, Fl 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net > > > On 7/20/2010 11:57 PM, RickG wrote: >> It amazes me how little people know about telecommunications >> infrastructure - or lack thereof. >> >> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Mike Hammett<wispawirel...@ics-il.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Agreed. It amazes me how little people know about the >>> telecommunications infrastructure in their area. >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/20/2010 5:57 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >>> >>>> I have been quietly watching this discussion.... >>>> >>>> I don't claim to be an expert, but being a wire line ISP, let me add / >>>> clarify some thoughts / facts .... >>>> >>>> T1 / T3 or DS3 / OC3 are all TDM / Legacy services........ >>>> >>>> T1, can be extended (long distance) via field repeaters... (T1's are >>>> based on HDSL technology and go about 12000ft from the CO or Repeater.) >>>> T3/DS3 are peeled off OC3 or Sonet (optical) Muxes....These are larger >>>> expensive pieces of equipment that require a lot of power and are fiber >>>> fed. >>>> >>>> While all of the legacy TDM services are regulated (i.e the price is >>>> disclosed on a tariff) but the ILEC is allowed to recover build out >>>> costs... these costs are high, >>>> in addition, the ILEC's are also aware that these High Cap transports >>>> are used by other Competitors and as such exercise full discretion on >>>> discouraging purchase of these circuits, by using extra inflated build >>>> out costs, and if you agree to pay that, then the 2nd option they use is >>>> extra extra long build out time schedule... 9 to 12 months easy. >>>> >>>> For Enterprise customers, they will do the build at no cost or little >>>> cost, but the Enterprise customer also has to provide them with space >>>> and power, typically 2-3 racks of space and 20-40 amps of power. >>>> >>>> Today, the ILEC's are not interested in doing such buildout, unless >>>> someone is buying SONET transport from them or a bundle of multiple >>>> DS3's / OC'3 combination, and there are a few more if's... >>>> >>>> The most cost effective form of transport that an ISP / WISP can >>>> purchase from a Carrier (ILEC or Cable Co or another type of provider) >>>> would be Ethernet ...... >>>> 100Meg or Gig E.... While these are un-regulated services, which means >>>> an ILEC's can exercise their discretion on providing this type of >>>> service to you and I or another Carrier.... however in many places >>>> (typically office buildings in a metro downtown area) would have >>>> equipment / fiber already installed that they can deliver the service at >>>> that location. >>>> >>>> These days the local Cable Company who has been doing fiber build outs >>>> for their cable plants is also pretty eager to sell IP Transit or >>>> Ethernet Transport over the Fiber system.. Most of them are working on a >>>> pretty fair means of pricing the fiber service and will not discriminate >>>> against service providers... (most of them...) >>>> >>>> Another often overlooked fiber carrier is the local Power Company..... >>>> Most power companies have a "Fiber / Network Division" they have been >>>> the largest providers of dark fiber for a lot of carriers (including >>>> cell carriers, when they cell carriers were not owned by the ILEC and >>>> the ILEC would not provide them high speed pipes to the cell towers..). >>>> But these folks are normally harder to track down unless they are >>>> aggressively selling services... >>>> >>>> I often collect Network Maps from carriers and competitive service >>>> providers, just to be able to find out what are "On-Net" locations for >>>> them... make life much easier in determining where to pickup the service >>>> from rather than having them do the buildout and bring them to where you >>>> are.... >>>> >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet& Telecom >>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>> Miami, Fl 33155 >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/20/2010 6:19 PM, RickG wrote: >>>> >>>>> In my previous life as an AT&T Cellular switch manager, we had >>>>> hundreds of T1's& T3's ordered that never came in - yes, I mean >>>>> never. And we practically had a blank check! >>>>> -RickG >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Kristian Hoffmann<kh...@fire2wire.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> After about a year of getting the same response from AT&T after multiple >>>>>> order requests at different locations across our network, the guy in >>>>>> charge of building out fiber for the region called and said "what in the >>>>>> world are you guys doing?!?" He ended up giving us the location of a >>>>>> few fiber terminals in the area. We found the ones closest to our >>>>>> network, made an agreement with a tenant nearby, and did a wireless PtP >>>>>> to connect it to our network. >>>>>> >>>>>> Moral of the story, we were shooting in the dark until we had an "in" in >>>>>> the right department at AT&T. >>>>>> >>>>>> On a related note, does anyone have an experience with Charter's fiber >>>>>> services? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Kristian Hoffmann >>>>>> System Administrator >>>>>> kh...@fire2wire.com >>>>>> http://www.fire2wire.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 22:33 -0500, Roger Howard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Quick alert to those who are not aware... back when I was running my >>>>>>> business on T1 lines, I just assumed that when I was ready, I could >>>>>>> order a T3 and upgrade my bandwidth. Not so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just because you can get a T1 doesn't mean you can get a T3 without >>>>>>> huge buildout costs. I was quoted $400,000 dollars to upgrade to a T3. >>>>>>> I managed to get around it because otherwise AT&T would have had to >>>>>>> install a high count copper line down my road to be able to keep >>>>>>> offering POTS service here, so I got lucky, and had a free install. >>>>>>> But you may not be that fortunate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just thought if I posted this, it might give some people a heads up >>>>>>> to start planning for more bandwidth when you're coming close to >>>>>>> needing t3 type capacity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Roger >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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