Currently only getting v6 transit through one of my upstreams, Internet Operating Services of Arizona. They peer with 7 other upstreams for native v6 transit. I still need to turn up IPv6 peering sessions with my other transits.
No major issues internally. Still feel like I'm in uncharted territory with providing access to customers. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 4, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Robert West wrote: > Who is your upstream provider? Any issues with them passing the V6? > > Been thinking of making that jump but it seems to be a bastard scheme. Gets > no respect. Any major issues? > > Bob- > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 3:24 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP > > We've been using v6 internally for about a year. > > We've recently begun providing v6 to select customers; usually the ones with > /26 or more of v4 address space. At that size they're usually technically > competent, and thus ready to start migrating. > > -- > Blake Covarrubias > > On Aug 3, 2010, at 6:04 AM, Robert West wrote: > >> How long have been using the v6? >> >> Bob- >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias >> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >> >> I wasn't aware so many WISPs charge for static and/or public IPs. >> >> We have a /19 and /21 IPv4 allocation, and a /32 v6 allocation. All >> customers get dynamic, possibly changing, public IPs. We charge for a >> consistent public IP. >> >> NAT causes too many potential headaches for us to even bother with it. >> >> -- >> Blake Covarrubias >> >> On Aug 2, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >> >>> True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, "Mike" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let > go. >>>> Or not. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> On Behalf Of John Thomas >>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>> >>>> And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I >>>> would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> Kurt Fankhauser <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Everything i keep coming up with to make this work "ideal" >>>>> according to >> the >>>> >>>>> customer is I"m gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month >> *grins* >>>>> and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that >>>>> static to >>>> the >>>>> customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves. >>>>> >>>>> -Kurt Fankhauser >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy >> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would >>>>>>> let me >>>> do >>>>>>> my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, >>>>>>> telnet >>>> and >>>>>>> web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every >>>>>>> port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access >>>>>>> to anyone else. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP >>>>>>> if >> you >>>>>>> are doing NAT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Adam Kennedy >>>>>>> Network Engineer >>>>>>> Omnicity, Inc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been >>>>>>> told that it's a big security hole. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thoughts on that? >>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I >>>>>>> have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial >>>>>>> 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox >>>>>>> upnp. Even this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove >>>>>>> even nice strict (I think it's called open?). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and >>>>>>>> bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is >>>>>>>> very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to >>>>>>>> make connections to other servers. >>>>>>>> From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal >>>>>>>> Plug and Play >>>>>>>> (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. 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