I use pfsense as my edge and core router and am happy with it. Hoping to turn up the initial socalwifi nodes this weekend. These will back haul through pfsense. So I will get a better sense of how it scales.
"Glenn Kelley" <[email protected]> wrote: >Tom - > >I think no matter what the solution is - it really comes down to the following: > >a. What you know and can do yourself. >b. What you can obtain support for for free >c. What you can obtain support for paid >d. Overall ROI (free does not mean free ! ) > > > >I can see your point - we use pfsense in those cases where microtik would make >sense - > >Why - because it is very easy - runs on basically anything that microtik would >- and the gui is much more user friendly. >PLUS - the cli makes complete sense - supports full BGP as well as many other >routing protocols. > >We moved from using the more expensive options - like Cisco - and chose vyatta >simply because their support is next to none. >We had an issue @ 2AM - and had a call back by 2:15AM by 2:30 we were back up >and running. > >Experience like that with Cisco - or Microtik - well we just have never found. > >Have you played with pfsense? >have you played with vyatta? > >having used all 3 I can tell you microtik is for me the last choice. > > > >On Sep 20, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > >> I have to disagree. Except I'm arguing the opposite on Mikrotik's side. >> >> There is nothing free about Vyatta for a commerical WISP. Mikrotik is much >> much less expensive. Low Price is a major reason to use Mikrotik over Vyatta. >> I do not mean this as a negative comment about Vyatta, as Vyatta makes a >> good product and has a strong support team. Its understandable that good >> people tend to charge for quality support. >> >> My point here is that a Commerical ISP would be a fool to use Vyatta Free >> addition for any serious commercial application. There are many reasons for >> that. For example, having to wait 6 months for a bug fix is way to long, >> expecially if its a new BGP vulnerabilty that will crash your BGP within >> minutes. Or maybe its when you need to upgrade to the next version, and you >> learn that its not possible to upgrade the FREE version, unless you reload >> from scratch and reconfigure from scratch, which means lots and lots of long >> down time for core routers. I'd highly recommend that Providers use the >> PAID version of Vyatta, if VYatta being used for anything serious. >> Vyatta license is like $600-$900 per year, NOT $45 for life of next couple >> versions like MIkrotik offers. >> >> I'm just saying, lets keep it real.... Its not fair to compare a >> non-supported open source old version product (Vyatta) with a commercially >> supported product (Mikrotik). >> Vyatta is a premium product (based on support) and they charge accordingly. >> Mikrotik on the other hand is a value product. I'm not aware of any otehr >> product on the market that offers a more complete advanced router product >> for such a low price. Its insane how inexpensive Mikrotik is for what it >> delivers, in the "router" market. >> >> Many argue Vyatta Free edition is fine for a single client appliance. Maybe >> so. Although, a fast processor Routerboard costs under $100, and w/ Vyatta >> it will need more expensive PC like hardware which will far exceed teh >> Mikrotik License costs. So anyway you slice it Vyatta is more expensive. >> Where Vyatta can compete is on High capacity multi-Gig routers, but at a >> yearly reoccuring price. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Dennis Burgess >> To: WISPA General List >> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik >> >> If you look at the two just from a cost perspective, the x86 for Vyatta is >> Free, RouterOS would be just $45 bucks for their license. FREE vs $45 >> bucks. Just saying that MT is SO cheap, I would not let that little cost to >> make a difference in the comparison. >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley >> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 2:01 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik >> >> We use vyatta a great bit - >> if you want any advice for it - hit me up offlist. >> >> Microtik is $$$ vyatta can be - but their opensource is FREE >> really nice application. >> >> >> On Sep 17, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: >> >> >> Vyatta has a cool product line. Their open source version is free. They >> have a paid product that is much more full-featured. They make most of >> their money from their support contracts. >> >> Jeff >> ImageStream >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:54 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm pulling Mikrotik >> >> I guess you're right, appears it is free: >> >> http://www.vyatta.com/downloads/index.php >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Greg Ihnen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Isn't Vyatta for the x86 free? >> >> I'm not familiar with OpenWRT, but between dd-WRT and RouterOS it's no >> contest. RouterOS wins. >> >> >> Greg >> >> On Sep 17, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> Several threads have suggests Mikrotik over Vyatta. Cheaper and >> better. I have not used Vyatta. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> At 9/17/2010 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> Sounds to me like they are not familiar with RouterOS. >> >> Mikrotik's RouterOS does just about everything that you can imagine >> in a layer 2 and layer 3 network device. It does not perform all >> of these tasks flawlessly, but the platform is more then usable. >> Just need to watch out for the "gotchas". >> >> You're right.. I'm not all that familiar with RouterOS yet. I'm >> doing the design now and want to make sure that RouterOS can do what >> I want it to do. Of course there's always OpenWRT or DD-WRT but >> they don't seem to do as much yet. And RouterOS allows >> virtualization, so we can presumably test WRT hacks in a virtual >> partition without bringing down the production net. >> >> UBNT has a little CPU too but it just comes with, I think, Kamikaze, >> and nobody seems to take it seriously. Down on the ground, >> something bigger like Vyatta should be able to handle all of the >> real routing load. So I want to take each of the subscriber CPE >> radios (probably all UBNT) and make each one a VLAN, switched back >> to the big router that sits near the fiber. This is a little out of >> the usual "route everywhere" box. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Butch Evans <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 11:29 -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote: >> Glad to hear it's working. My plan is to put a router at the >> core and run layer 2 beyond. How flexible is RouterOS for >> setting up lots of VLANs? >> >> VERY flexible. >> >> http://blog.butchevans.com/2010/02/to-tag-or-not-to-tag-that-is-the >> -question/ >> >> I'm thinking of using HWMP+ to automatically create paths >> ("route", but not in the IP layer) them across the network >> ("mesh", in the literal topological sense). 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