Forbes, I am not stumped, but the simple fact is that we don't have enough information to make a "final" fix. So, be sure here, that we are not stumped, the information has not came in to find out why. I think mike was suppose to work with one of your guys, I will have to find out where they left off. You want the help, then we are here.
----------------------------------------------------------- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training <http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/> - Author of "Learn RouterOS" <http://routerosbook.com/> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: October 14, 2010 6:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for Bandwidth Manager I also haven't been in my core router in ages, my template IS by Butch as I stated before, I HAVE had Dennis look at the outages, everyone is stumped, if I can't depend on it I don't want it. THEN I'll have time to route the network. I've used Mikrotik for years and until the load got to high things ran fine, I wish I could make it work but its down just too much. On 10/14/2010 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I agree with Travis. Also the thread is about a bandwidth manager, which just like Travis, you would do at the edge between you and your upstream. Your APs, backhauls and other radios can be Ubnt/Canopy/Linksys/etc I would suggest spending the minimal amount of money for the MT router, Butch's template and forget about it. If you do have an issue (IMO it will be something a person did to the network if no one logs into it making changes all the time) you have Butch, Dennis, the list, etc. I can't remember the last time I logged into the core router. When I did, it was to copy some rules to share on a list or ##mikrotik. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Travis Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, You need to fix your network, not the hardware/software you are running. I have over 60 Mikrotik backhaul links, with over 1,000 Mikrotik customer radios (plus thousands more Trango and Canopy) and have NONE of the issues you describe. Our main edge router is a Mikrotik box (x86 with Quad core) and it has thousands of rules and NAT translations, moving 450Mbps x 150Mbps on a daily basis, and has been up for over 6 months right now (due only to firmware upgrades). Having your network bridged is the problem. Take time out and fix that, or you will continue to have more and more problems... Travis Microserv On 10/14/2010 4:45 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Really Josh, you want me to rehash this? To be simple I'm not a true geek, I barely speak linux and Router OS not at all. Our network of 700 over 12 towers is bridged, a big no-no but I can't keep radios up long enough to make us routed along with the growth sprut we've had this year (we 're averaging 3 installs a day with one installer/field tech). We've found that if you get over 50 on Mikrotik you start getting latency issues, four of our towers have over that. When I was all Mikrotik (well 90% that 10% Moto) it worked great for about a year and a half, then the packet storms started, then radios started doing weird intermittent things like turning off. Sure we did the obvious, change passwords, isolate the radios from the rest of the network but it just started to get worse, probably traffic driven from our ongoing growth that the greater demand for more bandwidth (we are 90% residential so Netflix type stuff). To solve this we started replacing backhauls with Ubiquiti radios. Ubiquiti allows more traffic so the added pressure really started to take down the Mikrotik AP's, ports and bridges now drop with undiagnoisable (new word) regularity. Then the bandwidth manager failed, Butch rebuilt it but for some reason the upgrade to 4.11 made failures happen more often that were like the AP's, dropped ports and bridges. We compensated by making a path on the Ethernet side and in-network side so we could maybe ... (fix the disabled port/bridge) from either end. We are spending all of our time building redundant this and redundant that until we realized one thing, on every outage Mikrotik's had cascading failures shutting down ports or turning off radios (disabling) meanwhile Ubiquiti never went down, ever. So we started pulling all Mikrotik backhauls, now we only lose AP's and the bandwidth manager. Since the bandwidth manager takes the entire network down we want replace it. Now you're up to speed on where we are, I call Mikrotik my 'backwards momentum' mover, we have to stop our forward motion on building and installing so we can restore service, it takes the fun out of this business thats for sure. Forbes On 10/14/2010 3:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hrm why doesn't Mikrotik work? On Oct 14, 2010 6:15 PM, "Forbes Mercy" <[email protected]> wrote: > In my mission to rid our network of Mikrotik I need to shop for a new > bandwidth manager since mine likes to randomly drop one of the ports or > bridge, and reset the route gateway (twice already this week). I'm > looking for a more friendly windows type based unit, any suggestions. > > Thanks, > Forbes > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > > WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- WISPA Wants You! 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