And would turn off more people than simply doubling the membership fee from $250 to $500...
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: > > That does add overhead... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then >> have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report >> correctly. >> 1-500 base rate >> 500-1000 +100 >> 1000-2000 +250 >> etc. >> Regards, >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> $250 first year >>> >>> $500 second+ year >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, and >>>> it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for twice the >>>> FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be doing more, if >>>> more money was collected to fund it. >>>> I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a price >>>> increase of 3% per year is in line. >>>> Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 >>>> Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, but >>>> almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can afford an >>>> extra $50-100 per year. >>>> That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership recruitment, it >>>> would add up. >>>> >>>> I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying members >>>> or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in dues has not >>>> been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the waters on what members >>>> would be OK with. >>>> >>>> I can tell you, without a doubt, its impossible for a WISP not to get $350 >>>> of value from this organization. >>>> There is an arguement, why pay, if someone else will foot the bill. But at >>>> WISPA, there is no one else to foot the bill. >>>> Either members do it, or it doesn't get funded. >>>> >>>> I hope that this year that both the board raises dues, and that more >>>> general list participants step up to become paying members, and join our >>>> fight to steer the FCC and Congress into better decissions for our >>>> industry. >>>> >>>> I know WISPA's voice has made a difference, even of the victory is not >>>> clear. Even with NetNeutrality, some of us felt it was a loss and WISPs >>>> were ignored. But in reality it was a victory because the rules were not >>>> as restrictive as so many experts thought they would be. >>>> >>>> What we need is EVERY small, local, grassroots WISP joining our team. The >>>> smaller the member company the better. I dont want to tell the world that >>>> we are made up of mostly big WISPs that each have a million subs, >>>> incorrectly suggesting the bigger WISPs are the most relevent ones. >>>> Instead, I want the world to know that WISPA is the voice for the MILLION >>>> small WISP Providers across the country. (I'll settle for a 1000 :-) >>>> But I KNOW we can do better than 300. >>>> >>>> And heck, even being a 10year old isn't an excuse not to join as an >>>> assoicate member. Most parents would pay $100/year for a Toontown >>>> subscription. I cant imagine that a parent wouldn't JUMP at the >>>> opportunity to pay $100 to steer their kid (from toontown) into a learning >>>> opportunity to interact with experienced WISP CEOs on a full membership >>>> list. Thats as good as any intern program. >>>> >>>> And now for the full fledged WISP company... $250 is NOTHING! Just think >>>> about everything that you can buy for $250. Some of us exect to pay more >>>> than that for a nice dinner on the town or a pair of shoes. $250 is >>>> Peanuts comparatively to what similar associations charge. I'm pretty sure >>>> WISPA should go into the guinees book of World record as the assoication >>>> with the lowest Dues of all time. Id argue that if someone cant justify >>>> $250 represent the intereests of their business and liveihood, should they >>>> even be in this business? And even then, I'd argue, if money is that >>>> tight, even more of a reason to join WISPA, to get more bank for the buck, >>>> cause they aren't going to be afforing their own lawyers anytime soon. And >>>> when picking an organization to support who else would a WISP choose more >>>> worthy than WISPA to represent them? I cant think of anyone better. >>>> >>>> I'll be honest, this whole DUES thing is a big frustration to me, Its a >>>> topic that has been discussed for 5 years now. I cant fathom to understand >>>> what the hold up is to join or pay more. What more could WISPA possibly do >>>> to show they provide over $250 of value? WHy would a WISP not want to join >>>> and contribute, when there is so much to gain by contributing the little >>>> amount asked to have contributed? >>>> >>>> There is a long road ahead of us, and every year its gonna just get >>>> harder. The lobby battle is not over, it is just beginning in Congress and >>>> FCC. >>>> And I can tell you that in the next 2 years telecom policy will get >>>> re-written, and there is no better time than now, to contribute and effect >>>> possitive change. There is not a shortage of topics to fight for... I'd >>>> even suggest when folks send in their membership Dues, that they include a >>>> note that says, and please allocate some of my dues to fight for topic >>>> XXXXX. Tell the Director what is important to you, and back it with a >>>> check. >>>> >>>> I can tell you from experience... That I spent a large part of my life the >>>> last 4 years engaged on WISPA board, and I did it, because what WISPA does >>>> is important. It was important enough, that I wanted to be there involved. >>>> But I can tell, since I left the board, and started focusing more time on >>>> my own business, my business profitabilty has increased substantially. I >>>> can tell you, $250 is a steal for me, to be able to rest assured knowing >>>> that others are working hard for the interests of my company at federal >>>> levels, so I can do my job and focus on my company's operation. I say, >>>> help WISPA do their job, and help fund their efforts via Dues. >>>> >>>> >>>> Respectfully, >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Rick Harnish >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) >>>> >>>> Kurt, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. >>>> Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything >>>> else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and >>>> in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is >>>> almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. >>>> Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We >>>> are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across >>>> the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in >>>> Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance >>>> and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we >>>> can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to >>>> go to lobbying type efforts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were >>>> almost $100,000. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the >>>> industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our >>>> efforts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Respectfully, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick Harnish >>>> >>>> Executive Director >>>> >>>> WISPA >>>> >>>> 260-307-4000 cell >>>> >>>> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office >>>> >>>> Skype: rick.harnish. >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had >>>> no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. >>>> Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to >>>> the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that >>>> is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this >>>> organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone >>>> that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of >>>> wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only >>>> 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves >>>> because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest >>>> of us…. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>> >>>> Wavelinc Communications >>>> >>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>> >>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>> >>>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>>> >>>> 419-562-6405 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Microsoft Outlook >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Rick Harnish >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kurt, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to >>>> get the P&L ready. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this money >>>> going? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>> >>>> Wavelinc Communications >>>> >>>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>>> >>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>> >>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>> >>>> 419-562-6405 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Microsoft Outlook >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Rick Harnish >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:29 AM >>>> To: [email protected]; 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It isn’t about bashing WISPA in my view. It is providing input so that >>>> the WISPA Board can make the appropriate decisions that are representative >>>> of the majority of operators. The Board is made up of operators just like >>>> the rest of you and they are human, they make mistakes and they don’t >>>> always have the funding or impact to get everything they want in regards >>>> to FCC policy. Any Board member will tell you that criticism is the name >>>> of the game. If you can’t take it, you don’t run the next year. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sure I wish we could be right all the time and never receive any >>>> criticism, but that will never happen. We pledge to do the best we can >>>> do. Understand that the Board is still a volunteer position and they do >>>> have a business to run as well. That is why they hired me to run the day >>>> to day affairs and stimulate the membership totals. Below is a graphic of >>>> WISPA revenues since March 2008. I started on August 1st, 2010. You can >>>> see that typically, we have a revenue spike with every tradeshow that we >>>> do as our membership grows. >>>> >>>> January 2011 numbers are not complete yet but in general, we seem to be >>>> progressing nicely. The large spike was the Summer Regional Show in St. >>>> Louis. Obviously there were rather large offsetting costs but it was a >>>> profitable show for us. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Respectively, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick Harnish >>>> >>>> Executive Director >>>> >>>> WISPA >>>> >>>> 260-307-4000 cell >>>> >>>> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office >>>> >>>> Skype: rick.harnish. >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Bobby Burrow >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:30 AM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is disappointing. IF you read the Mission Statement and Goals of >>>> WISPA, you would understand that this forum is not the place to vent or >>>> air ill feelings. We are supposed to be a community of peers that can look >>>> to each other for support and encouragement as we pursue of business goals. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Freedom of speech in these public forums is not intended to be the freedom >>>> to complain or bash each other, let alone the organization that provides >>>> the service. I would suggest that those that feel that need should find >>>> another venue so the rest can continue on per the goals and mission as >>>> defined. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bobby Burrow >>>> >>>> WISPA Supporter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:30 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for >>>> example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably >>>> not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the [email protected] a >>>> free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? >>>> >>>> Steve Barnes >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: [WISPA] new list >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has >>>> been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is >>>> not tied to any product or service being sold. 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