That's how many other organizations do it. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
> I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then > have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report > correctly. > > 1-500 base rate > 500-1000 +100 > 1000-2000 +250 > etc. > > Regards, > > Chuck > > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > > wrote: > >> $250 first year >> >> $500 second+ year >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi >> <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net>wrote: >> >>> And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, and >>> it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for twice the >>> FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be doing more, if >>> more money was collected to fund it. >>> I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a price >>> increase of 3% per year is in line. >>> Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 >>> Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, but >>> almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can afford an extra >>> $50-100 per year. >>> That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership recruitment, it >>> would add up. >>> >>> I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying members >>> or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in dues has not >>> been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the waters on what members >>> would be OK with. >>> >>> I can tell you, without a doubt, its impossible for a WISP not to get >>> $350 of value from this organization. >>> There is an arguement, why pay, if someone else will foot the bill. But >>> at WISPA, there is no one else to foot the bill. >>> Either members do it, or it doesn't get funded. >>> >>> I hope that this year that both the board raises dues, and that more >>> general list participants step up to become paying members, and join our >>> fight to steer the FCC and Congress into better decissions for our industry. >>> >>> I know WISPA's voice has made a difference, even of the victory is not >>> clear. Even with NetNeutrality, some of us felt it was a loss and WISPs were >>> ignored. But in reality it was a victory because the rules were not as >>> restrictive as so many experts thought they would be. >>> >>> What we need is EVERY small, local, grassroots WISP joining our team. The >>> smaller the member company the better. I dont want to tell the world that we >>> are made up of mostly big WISPs that each have a million subs, incorrectly >>> suggesting the bigger WISPs are the most relevent ones. Instead, I want the >>> world to know that WISPA is the voice for the MILLION small WISP >>> Providers across the country. (I'll settle for a 1000 :-) >>> But I KNOW we can do better than 300. >>> >>> And heck, even being a 10year old isn't an excuse not to join as an >>> assoicate member. Most parents would pay $100/year for a Toontown >>> subscription. I cant imagine that a parent wouldn't JUMP at the opportunity >>> to pay $100 to steer their kid (from toontown) into a learning opportunity >>> to interact with experienced WISP CEOs on a full membership list. Thats as >>> good as any intern program. >>> >>> And now for the full fledged WISP company... $250 is NOTHING! Just think >>> about everything that you can buy for $250. Some of us exect to pay more >>> than that for a nice dinner on the town or a pair of shoes. $250 is Peanuts >>> comparatively to what similar associations charge. I'm pretty sure WISPA >>> should go into the guinees book of World record as the assoication with the >>> lowest Dues of all time. Id argue that if someone cant justify $250 >>> represent the intereests of their business and liveihood, should they even >>> be in this business? And even then, I'd argue, if money is that tight, >>> even more of a reason to join WISPA, to get more bank for the buck, cause >>> they aren't going to be afforing their own lawyers anytime soon. And when >>> picking an organization to support who else would a WISP choose more worthy >>> than WISPA to represent them? I cant think of anyone better. >>> >>> I'll be honest, this whole DUES thing is a big frustration to me, Its a >>> topic that has been discussed for 5 years now. I cant fathom to understand >>> what the hold up is to join or pay more. What more could WISPA possibly do >>> to show they provide over $250 of value? WHy would a WISP not want to join >>> and contribute, when there is so much to gain by contributing the little >>> amount asked to have contributed? >>> >>> There is a long road ahead of us, and every year its gonna just get >>> harder. The lobby battle is not over, it is just beginning in Congress and >>> FCC. >>> And I can tell you that in the next 2 years telecom policy will get >>> re-written, and there is no better time than now, to contribute and effect >>> possitive change. There is not a shortage of topics to fight for... I'd >>> even suggest when folks send in their membership Dues, that they include a >>> note that says, and please allocate some of my dues to fight for topic >>> XXXXX. Tell the Director what is important to you, and back it with a >>> check. >>> >>> I can tell you from experience... That I spent a large part of my life >>> the last 4 years engaged on WISPA board, and I did it, because what WISPA >>> does is important. It was important enough, that I wanted to be there >>> involved. But I can tell, since I left the board, and started focusing more >>> time on my own business, my business profitabilty has increased >>> substantially. I can tell you, $250 is a steal for me, to be able to rest >>> assured knowing that others are working hard for the interests of my company >>> at federal levels, so I can do my job and focus on my company's operation. I >>> say, help WISPA do their job, and help fund their efforts via Dues. >>> >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Rick Harnish <rharn...@wispa.org> >>> *To:* 'WISPA General List' <wireless@wispa.org> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) >>> >>> Kurt, >>> >>> >>> >>> You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. >>> Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything >>> else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and >>> in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is >>> almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. >>> Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are >>> a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the >>> country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We >>> are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other >>> expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain >>> low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying >>> type efforts. >>> >>> >>> >>> For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were >>> almost $100,000. >>> >>> >>> >>> I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the >>> industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. >>> >>> >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> >>> >>> >>> *Rick Harnish* >>> >>> Executive Director >>> >>> WISPA >>> >>> 260-307-4000 cell >>> >>> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office >>> >>> Skype: rick.harnish. >>> >>> rharn...@wispa.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >>> Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM >>> *To:* 'WISPA General List' >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick, >>> >>> >>> >>> I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had >>> no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. >>> Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the >>> overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a >>> WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this >>> organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone >>> that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of >>> wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only >>> 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. >>> >>> >>> >>> The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves >>> because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of >>> us…. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> >>> Wavelinc Communications >>> >>> P.O. Box 126 >>> >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> >>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> 419-562-6405 >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Microsoft Outlook >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >>> Behalf Of *Rick Harnish >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM >>> *To:* 'WISPA General List' >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list >>> >>> >>> >>> Kurt, >>> >>> >>> >>> We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to >>> get the P&L ready. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >>> Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM >>> *To:* 'WISPA General List' >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick, >>> >>> >>> >>> What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this >>> money going? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> >>> Wavelinc Communications >>> >>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> P.O. Box 126 >>> >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> >>> 419-562-6405 >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Microsoft Outlook >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >>> Behalf Of *Rick Harnish >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:29 AM >>> *To:* bo...@burrow.com; 'WISPA General List' >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list >>> >>> >>> >>> It isn’t about bashing WISPA in my view. It is providing input so that >>> the WISPA Board can make the appropriate decisions that are representative >>> of the majority of operators. The Board is made up of operators just like >>> the rest of you and they are human, they make mistakes and they don’t always >>> have the funding or impact to get everything they want in regards to FCC >>> policy. Any Board member will tell you that criticism is the name of the >>> game. If you can’t take it, you don’t run the next year. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sure I wish we could be right all the time and never receive any >>> criticism, but that will never happen. We pledge to do the best we can do. >>> Understand that the Board is still a volunteer position and they do have a >>> business to run as well. That is why they hired me to run the day to day >>> affairs and stimulate the membership totals. Below is a graphic of WISPA >>> revenues since March 2008. I started on August 1st, 2010. You can see >>> that typically, we have a revenue spike with every tradeshow that we do as >>> our membership grows. >>> >>> January 2011 numbers are not complete yet but in general, we seem to be >>> progressing nicely. The large spike was the Summer Regional Show in St. >>> Louis. Obviously there were rather large offsetting costs but it was a >>> profitable show for us. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Respectively, >>> >>> >>> >>> *Rick Harnish* >>> >>> Executive Director >>> >>> WISPA >>> >>> 260-307-4000 cell >>> >>> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office >>> >>> Skype: rick.harnish. >>> >>> rharn...@wispa.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >>> Behalf Of *Bobby Burrow >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:30 AM >>> *To:* 'WISPA General List' >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list >>> >>> >>> >>> This is disappointing. IF you read the Mission Statement and Goals of >>> WISPA, you would understand that this forum is not the place to vent or air >>> ill feelings. We are supposed to be a community of peers that can look to >>> each other for support and encouragement as we pursue of business goals. >>> >>> >>> >>> Freedom of speech in these public forums is not intended to be the >>> freedom to complain or bash each other, let alone the organization that >>> provides the service. I would suggest that those that feel that need should >>> find another venue so the rest can continue on per the goals and mission as >>> defined. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bobby Burrow >>> >>> WISPA Supporter >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >>> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman >>> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2011 11:30 AM >>> *To:* WISPA General List >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list >>> >>> >>> >>> To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for >>> example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably >>> not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes <st...@pcswin.com> wrote: >>> >>> Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wirel...@wispa.orga >>> free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? >>> >>> Steve Barnes >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] new list >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has >>> been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not >>> tied to any product or service being sold. 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