But if the first year was $250 and they could either a) see the value and pay more or b) not see the value and get out it makes sense to me.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Jon Auer <[email protected]> wrote: > And would turn off more people than simply doubling the membership fee > from $250 to $500... > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > That does add overhead... > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and > then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report > correctly. > >> 1-500 base rate > >> 500-1000 +100 > >> 1000-2000 +250 > >> etc. > >> Regards, > >> > >> Chuck > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> $250 first year > >>> > >>> $500 second+ year > >>> > >>> Josh Luthman > >>> Office: 937-552-2340 > >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >>> 1100 Wayne St > >>> Suite 1337 > >>> Troy, OH 45373 > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, and > it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for twice the > FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be doing more, if > more money was collected to fund it. > >>>> I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a price > increase of 3% per year is in line. > >>>> Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 > Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, but > almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can afford an extra > $50-100 per year. > >>>> That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership recruitment, > it would add up. > >>>> > >>>> I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying > members or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in > dues has not been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the waters on > what members would be OK with. > >>>> > >>>> I can tell you, without a doubt, its impossible for a WISP not to get > $350 of value from this organization. > >>>> There is an arguement, why pay, if someone else will foot the bill. > But at WISPA, there is no one else to foot the bill. > >>>> Either members do it, or it doesn't get funded. > >>>> > >>>> I hope that this year that both the board raises dues, and that more > general list participants step up to become paying members, and join our > fight to steer the FCC and Congress into better decissions for our industry. > >>>> > >>>> I know WISPA's voice has made a difference, even of the victory is not > clear. Even with NetNeutrality, some of us felt it was a loss and WISPs were > ignored. But in reality it was a victory because the rules were not as > restrictive as so many experts thought they would be. > >>>> > >>>> What we need is EVERY small, local, grassroots WISP joining our team. > The smaller the member company the better. I dont want to tell the world > that we are made up of mostly big WISPs that each have a million subs, > incorrectly suggesting the bigger WISPs are the most relevent ones. Instead, > I want the world to know that WISPA is the voice for the MILLION small WISP > Providers across the country. (I'll settle for a 1000 :-) > >>>> But I KNOW we can do better than 300. > >>>> > >>>> And heck, even being a 10year old isn't an excuse not to join as an > assoicate member. Most parents would pay $100/year for a Toontown > subscription. I cant imagine that a parent wouldn't JUMP at the opportunity > to pay $100 to steer their kid (from toontown) into a learning opportunity > to interact with experienced WISP CEOs on a full membership list. Thats as > good as any intern program. > >>>> > >>>> And now for the full fledged WISP company... $250 is NOTHING! Just > think about everything that you can buy for $250. Some of us exect to pay > more than that for a nice dinner on the town or a pair of shoes. $250 is > Peanuts comparatively to what similar associations charge. I'm pretty sure > WISPA should go into the guinees book of World record as the assoication > with the lowest Dues of all time. Id argue that if someone cant justify $250 > represent the intereests of their business and liveihood, should they even > be in this business? And even then, I'd argue, if money is that tight, > even more of a reason to join WISPA, to get more bank for the buck, cause > they aren't going to be afforing their own lawyers anytime soon. And when > picking an organization to support who else would a WISP choose more worthy > than WISPA to represent them? I cant think of anyone better. > >>>> > >>>> I'll be honest, this whole DUES thing is a big frustration to me, Its > a topic that has been discussed for 5 years now. I cant fathom to understand > what the hold up is to join or pay more. What more could WISPA possibly do > to show they provide over $250 of value? WHy would a WISP not want to join > and contribute, when there is so much to gain by contributing the little > amount asked to have contributed? > >>>> > >>>> There is a long road ahead of us, and every year its gonna just get > harder. The lobby battle is not over, it is just beginning in Congress and > FCC. > >>>> And I can tell you that in the next 2 years telecom policy will get > re-written, and there is no better time than now, to contribute and effect > possitive change. There is not a shortage of topics to fight for... I'd > even suggest when folks send in their membership Dues, that they include a > note that says, and please allocate some of my dues to fight for topic > XXXXX. Tell the Director what is important to you, and back it with a > check. > >>>> > >>>> I can tell you from experience... That I spent a large part of my life > the last 4 years engaged on WISPA board, and I did it, because what WISPA > does is important. It was important enough, that I wanted to be there > involved. But I can tell, since I left the board, and started focusing more > time on my own business, my business profitabilty has increased > substantially. I can tell you, $250 is a steal for me, to be able to rest > assured knowing that others are working hard for the interests of my company > at federal levels, so I can do my job and focus on my company's operation. I > say, help WISPA do their job, and help fund their efforts via Dues. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Respectfully, > >>>> > >>>> Tom DeReggi > >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Rick Harnish > >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) > >>>> > >>>> Kurt, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. > Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything > else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and > in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is > almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. > Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are > a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the > country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We > are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other > expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain > low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying > type efforts. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year > were almost $100,000. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the > industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Respectfully, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Rick Harnish > >>>> > >>>> Executive Director > >>>> > >>>> WISPA > >>>> > >>>> 260-307-4000 cell > >>>> > >>>> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office > >>>> > >>>> Skype: rick.harnish. > >>>> > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM > >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Rick, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I > had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. > Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the > overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a > WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this > organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone > that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of > wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only > 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves > because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of > us…. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Kurt Fankhauser > >>>> > >>>> Wavelinc Communications > >>>> > >>>> P.O. Box 126 > >>>> > >>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 > >>>> > >>>> http://www.wavelinc.com > >>>> > >>>> 419-562-6405 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from Microsoft Outlook > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Rick Harnish > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM > >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Kurt, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work > to get the P&L ready. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Rick > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM > >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Rick, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this > money going? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Kurt Fankhauser > >>>> > >>>> Wavelinc Communications > >>>> > >>>> http://www.wavelinc.com > >>>> > >>>> P.O. Box 126 > >>>> > >>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 > >>>> > >>>> 419-562-6405 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from Microsoft Outlook > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Rick Harnish > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:29 AM > >>>> To: [email protected]; 'WISPA General List' > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> It isn’t about bashing WISPA in my view. It is providing input so > that the WISPA Board can make the appropriate decisions that are > representative of the majority of operators. The Board is made up of > operators just like the rest of you and they are human, they make mistakes > and they don’t always have the funding or impact to get everything they want > in regards to FCC policy. Any Board member will tell you that criticism is > the name of the game. If you can’t take it, you don’t run the next year. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sure I wish we could be right all the time and never receive any > criticism, but that will never happen. We pledge to do the best we can do. > Understand that the Board is still a volunteer position and they do have a > business to run as well. That is why they hired me to run the day to day > affairs and stimulate the membership totals. Below is a graphic of WISPA > revenues since March 2008. I started on August 1st, 2010. You can see that > typically, we have a revenue spike with every tradeshow that we do as our > membership grows. > >>>> > >>>> January 2011 numbers are not complete yet but in general, we seem to > be progressing nicely. The large spike was the Summer Regional Show in St. > Louis. Obviously there were rather large offsetting costs but it was a > profitable show for us. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Respectively, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Rick Harnish > >>>> > >>>> Executive Director > >>>> > >>>> WISPA > >>>> > >>>> 260-307-4000 cell > >>>> > >>>> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office > >>>> > >>>> Skype: rick.harnish. > >>>> > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Bobby Burrow > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:30 AM > >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> This is disappointing. IF you read the Mission Statement and Goals of > WISPA, you would understand that this forum is not the place to vent or air > ill feelings. We are supposed to be a community of peers that can look to > each other for support and encouragement as we pursue of business goals. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Freedom of speech in these public forums is not intended to be the > freedom to complain or bash each other, let alone the organization that > provides the service. I would suggest that those that feel that need should > find another venue so the rest can continue on per the goals and mission as > defined. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Bobby Burrow > >>>> > >>>> WISPA Supporter > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman > >>>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:30 AM > >>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for > example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably > not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. > >>>> > >>>> Josh Luthman > >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 > >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >>>> 1100 Wayne St > >>>> Suite 1337 > >>>> Troy, OH 45373 > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the > [email protected] a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to > pull users from WISPA? > >>>> > >>>> Steve Barnes > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Travis Johnson > >>>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM > >>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>> Subject: [WISPA] new list > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list > has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is > not tied to any product or service being sold. 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