Didn't Verizon announce FIOS is pretty much dead at this point. I thought I read they are fulfilling their current obligations, but planned no new rollouts in the forseeable future.
On 10/27/11 11:20 AM, Daniel White wrote: > Charles, > > I think you should rephrase your statement - Cellular networks (especially > in metropolitan areas) WERE built for coverage. With 4G services, they are > built for capacity. I doubt the coverage metric will change in rural areas > though. > > There is also a major question on backhaul. Microwave backhaul may be equal > for 2G/3G networks, but as 4G proliferates it will have a higher dependency > on Fiber or 60GHz/80GHz short range high capacity backhaul. Most rural > sites will only support 11GHz/6GHz for backhaul and therefore lower "found" > capacity they could deliver via fixed wireless. > > On the other hand, WISP's can be nimble to all of these demands, at a much > lower equipment cost. > > FTTH of course is a different metric altogether. Verizon wireline loves to > plow fiber now. > > Anyways, my 2 cents. I could certainly be wrong :-) > > Daniel White > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Charles Wu > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:31 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie > > I have a dissenting opinion... > >> It all comes down to a simple economics in the end. Who can most cost >> effectively provide broadband. > A cellular network is built for coverage > > Additionally, large companies, from a scale and operations perspective, will > tend to put the same equipment everywhere > > What that means is in order to offer the nationwide network, that the tower > in the rural area that's required to cover that stretch of highway where > there's only a town of 1,000 people will have the same equipment and > capacity as the tower in downtown Chicago that has 1,000 simultaneous users > > So in rural areas, where the costs of the tower, backhaul and base station > have already been amortized and paid for to fulfill their coverage > requirements, but many of these towers are sitting at 5-10% capacity > > In their mind, to add another 100 or so fixed wireless users off an AP and > putting them in a lower QoS bucket (so the primary mobile customers aren't > affected when fixed customers start slamming Netflix) is "found money" -- > self installs are quite nice when putting out +60 dBi EIRP at the tower with > 700 MHz on licensed spectrum with zero noise floor > > -Charles > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Sam Tetherow > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 12:06 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie > > At the end of the day when a WISP puts > up a 'cell' site it is probably costing them 1/100th of what it costs the > cellco to do so. The equipment used is most likely 1/100th the cost at the > 'AP' and 1/10th at the CPE and the spectrum that the cellco uses is not > free. > > Even when you take into account that the cellco operates on a much longer > ROI and they can get some economy of scale on certain things I don't see how > they can overcome the price difference to be able to effectively compete > against a WISP, especially given their lack of spectrum. Sure you get a > much better noise floor, but they have fewer channels to deal with. And > from a cost perspective it is a lot harder to justify putting up micropops > as a cellco. I know plenty of WISPs that can afford to put a micro-pop up > for 3 customers. I do see how a cellco could afford to do that for eveny 20 > times that number. > > Deep pockets only last so long when you are losing money. > > On 10/26/11 11:07 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: >> At 10/26/2011 11:42 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: >>> The "LIVE" network here does 26Mb x 22Mb with<70ms latency. >> The VZW network isn't such bad competition for a WISP for two reasons. >> >> One -- those numbers you see are on the brand-new, unloaded network. >> The've just started selling LTE gear this year, so the cells are >> nowhere near full capacity. As they get busier, average capacity per >> subscriber will go down, especially during busy hours. At some point >> they will add cells, but I'm suspecting it's at a much lower >> performance point than you're seeing now. >> >> Two -- their per-cell costs are much higher, and thus they have to >> charge more for bulk usage. They have caps on their plans, and >> additional usage is very costly. So while LTE is okay for the >> vacation traveler looking to check email and read a few favorite web >> sites, or the light home user, it's not going to appeal to even >> moderate users. Even Sprint is starting to cap its plans, after >> running a huge "unlimited" (uh, for the rest of the month?) >> advertising campaign. >> >> >> -- >> Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >> ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ >> +1 617 795 2701 >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---------- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---------- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > WISPA Wants You! 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