It makes it easier to increase your penetration percentage when you sell off what you don't intend on putting fiber in.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/27/2011 1:09 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > In Indiana they have been selling everything they can unload. Most of the > East Side of Indiana was Verizon now Frontier. In Fort Wayne 2 year ago the > dumbed a bunch in FIOS and sold it less than a year later. > > I believe that with the FCC decision today Verizon sees its future as 100% > wireless. I expect to see them offload even more of their planted > infrastructure in light of a wireless one. > > Steve Barnes > General Manager > PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 1:51 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie > > I believe FiOS already covers a good portion of their existing (urban) > coverage area. > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > On 10/27/2011 11:44 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote: >> Didn't Verizon announce FIOS is pretty much dead at this point. I >> thought I read they are fulfilling their current obligations, but >> planned no new rollouts in the forseeable future. >> >> On 10/27/11 11:20 AM, Daniel White wrote: >>> Charles, >>> >>> I think you should rephrase your statement - Cellular networks >>> (especially in metropolitan areas) WERE built for coverage. With 4G >>> services, they are built for capacity. I doubt the coverage metric >>> will change in rural areas though. >>> >>> There is also a major question on backhaul. Microwave backhaul may >>> be equal for 2G/3G networks, but as 4G proliferates it will have a >>> higher dependency on Fiber or 60GHz/80GHz short range high capacity >>> backhaul. Most rural sites will only support 11GHz/6GHz for backhaul and >>> therefore lower "found" >>> capacity they could deliver via fixed wireless. >>> >>> On the other hand, WISP's can be nimble to all of these demands, at a >>> much lower equipment cost. >>> >>> FTTH of course is a different metric altogether. Verizon wireline >>> loves to plow fiber now. >>> >>> Anyways, my 2 cents. I could certainly be wrong :-) >>> >>> Daniel White >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of Charles Wu >>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:31 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie >>> >>> I have a dissenting opinion... >>> >>>> It all comes down to a simple economics in the end. Who can most >>>> cost effectively provide broadband. >>> A cellular network is built for coverage >>> >>> Additionally, large companies, from a scale and operations >>> perspective, will tend to put the same equipment everywhere >>> >>> What that means is in order to offer the nationwide network, that the >>> tower in the rural area that's required to cover that stretch of >>> highway where there's only a town of 1,000 people will have the same >>> equipment and capacity as the tower in downtown Chicago that has >>> 1,000 simultaneous users >>> >>> So in rural areas, where the costs of the tower, backhaul and base >>> station have already been amortized and paid for to fulfill their >>> coverage requirements, but many of these towers are sitting at 5-10% >>> capacity >>> >>> In their mind, to add another 100 or so fixed wireless users off an >>> AP and putting them in a lower QoS bucket (so the primary mobile >>> customers aren't affected when fixed customers start slamming >>> Netflix) is "found money" -- self installs are quite nice when >>> putting out +60 dBi EIRP at the tower with >>> 700 MHz on licensed spectrum with zero noise floor >>> >>> -Charles >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 12:06 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie >>> >>> At the end of the day when a WISP puts up a 'cell' site it is >>> probably costing them 1/100th of what it costs the cellco to do so. >>> The equipment used is most likely 1/100th the cost at the 'AP' and >>> 1/10th at the CPE and the spectrum that the cellco uses is not free. >>> >>> Even when you take into account that the cellco operates on a much >>> longer ROI and they can get some economy of scale on certain things I >>> don't see how they can overcome the price difference to be able to >>> effectively compete against a WISP, especially given their lack of >>> spectrum. Sure you get a much better noise floor, but they have >>> fewer channels to deal with. And from a cost perspective it is a lot >>> harder to justify putting up micropops as a cellco. I know plenty of >>> WISPs that can afford to put a micro-pop up for 3 customers. I do >>> see how a cellco could afford to do that for eveny 20 times that number. >>> >>> Deep pockets only last so long when you are losing money. >>> >>> On 10/26/11 11:07 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: >>>> At 10/26/2011 11:42 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: >>>>> The "LIVE" network here does 26Mb x 22Mb with<70ms latency. >>>> The VZW network isn't such bad competition for a WISP for two reasons. >>>> >>>> One -- those numbers you see are on the brand-new, unloaded network. >>>> The've just started selling LTE gear this year, so the cells are >>>> nowhere near full capacity. As they get busier, average capacity >>>> per subscriber will go down, especially during busy hours. At some >>>> point they will add cells, but I'm suspecting it's at a much lower >>>> performance point than you're seeing now. >>>> >>>> Two -- their per-cell costs are much higher, and thus they have to >>>> charge more for bulk usage. They have caps on their plans, and >>>> additional usage is very costly. So while LTE is okay for the >>>> vacation traveler looking to check email and read a few favorite web >>>> sites, or the light home user, it's not going to appeal to even >>>> moderate users. Even Sprint is starting to cap its plans, after >>>> running a huge "unlimited" (uh, for the rest of the month?) >>>> advertising campaign. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >>>> ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ >>>> +1 617 795 2701 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- >>>> ---------- >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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