I believe FiOS already covers a good portion of their existing (urban) coverage area.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 10/27/2011 11:44 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote: > Didn't Verizon announce FIOS is pretty much dead at this point. I > thought I read they are fulfilling their current obligations, but > planned no new rollouts in the forseeable future. > > On 10/27/11 11:20 AM, Daniel White wrote: >> Charles, >> >> I think you should rephrase your statement - Cellular networks (especially >> in metropolitan areas) WERE built for coverage. With 4G services, they are >> built for capacity. I doubt the coverage metric will change in rural areas >> though. >> >> There is also a major question on backhaul. Microwave backhaul may be equal >> for 2G/3G networks, but as 4G proliferates it will have a higher dependency >> on Fiber or 60GHz/80GHz short range high capacity backhaul. Most rural >> sites will only support 11GHz/6GHz for backhaul and therefore lower "found" >> capacity they could deliver via fixed wireless. >> >> On the other hand, WISP's can be nimble to all of these demands, at a much >> lower equipment cost. >> >> FTTH of course is a different metric altogether. Verizon wireline loves to >> plow fiber now. >> >> Anyways, my 2 cents. I could certainly be wrong :-) >> >> Daniel White >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Charles Wu >> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:31 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie >> >> I have a dissenting opinion... >> >>> It all comes down to a simple economics in the end. Who can most cost >>> effectively provide broadband. >> A cellular network is built for coverage >> >> Additionally, large companies, from a scale and operations perspective, will >> tend to put the same equipment everywhere >> >> What that means is in order to offer the nationwide network, that the tower >> in the rural area that's required to cover that stretch of highway where >> there's only a town of 1,000 people will have the same equipment and >> capacity as the tower in downtown Chicago that has 1,000 simultaneous users >> >> So in rural areas, where the costs of the tower, backhaul and base station >> have already been amortized and paid for to fulfill their coverage >> requirements, but many of these towers are sitting at 5-10% capacity >> >> In their mind, to add another 100 or so fixed wireless users off an AP and >> putting them in a lower QoS bucket (so the primary mobile customers aren't >> affected when fixed customers start slamming Netflix) is "found money" -- >> self installs are quite nice when putting out +60 dBi EIRP at the tower with >> 700 MHz on licensed spectrum with zero noise floor >> >> -Charles >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Sam Tetherow >> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 12:06 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie >> >> At the end of the day when a WISP puts >> up a 'cell' site it is probably costing them 1/100th of what it costs the >> cellco to do so. The equipment used is most likely 1/100th the cost at the >> 'AP' and 1/10th at the CPE and the spectrum that the cellco uses is not >> free. >> >> Even when you take into account that the cellco operates on a much longer >> ROI and they can get some economy of scale on certain things I don't see how >> they can overcome the price difference to be able to effectively compete >> against a WISP, especially given their lack of spectrum. Sure you get a >> much better noise floor, but they have fewer channels to deal with. And >> from a cost perspective it is a lot harder to justify putting up micropops >> as a cellco. I know plenty of WISPs that can afford to put a micro-pop up >> for 3 customers. I do see how a cellco could afford to do that for eveny 20 >> times that number. >> >> Deep pockets only last so long when you are losing money. >> >> On 10/26/11 11:07 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: >>> At 10/26/2011 11:42 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: >>>> The "LIVE" network here does 26Mb x 22Mb with<70ms latency. >>> The VZW network isn't such bad competition for a WISP for two reasons. >>> >>> One -- those numbers you see are on the brand-new, unloaded network. >>> The've just started selling LTE gear this year, so the cells are >>> nowhere near full capacity. As they get busier, average capacity per >>> subscriber will go down, especially during busy hours. At some point >>> they will add cells, but I'm suspecting it's at a much lower >>> performance point than you're seeing now. >>> >>> Two -- their per-cell costs are much higher, and thus they have to >>> charge more for bulk usage. They have caps on their plans, and >>> additional usage is very costly. So while LTE is okay for the >>> vacation traveler looking to check email and read a few favorite web >>> sites, or the light home user, it's not going to appeal to even >>> moderate users. Even Sprint is starting to cap its plans, after >>> running a huge "unlimited" (uh, for the rest of the month?) >>> advertising campaign. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >>> ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ >>> +1 617 795 2701 >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------- >>> WISPA Wants You! 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