https://support.google.com/a/answer/166852?hl=en
Where is the alias? Is this a Google/Gmail "group"? If that goes to something like [email protected] than I'm not sure where the rules apply Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Nick Olsen <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, Technically they sent One. Because it sends to an alias. Which then > sends to the rest of the users. That being said. They limit and error given > specifically says Receiving. Not sending. > > Nick Olsen > Network Operations > (855) FLSPEED x106 > > > ------------------------------ > *From*: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> > *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:20 AM > > *To*: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Cc*: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting > > But that one user sent 300 messages. I'm not talking about receiving. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Nick Olsen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Agreed. Like I said. We exceed that on a per-domain or per-sendingIP >> basis. >> >> However, They swear that limit is per-user. So, User receives an email >> that is part of a list. Replies all, Which sends to an Alias. And that >> Alias spawns off 300+ emails to 300+ users. So no one user actually >> Received more then a few emails per minute. >> >> Just like this list. The mail server in question may send 300+ emails >> when I click send. But I, Nor you. Have received any more then a few >> messages. >> >> Nick Olsen >> Network Operations >> (855) FLSPEED x106 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From*: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >> *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:10 AM >> *To*: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> >> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting >> >> If there are 300 members one reply to all is 300 messages in that one >> moment, which well exceeds 180/minute, though... >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Nick Olsen <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> For this particular customer. We/they filter their incoming mail through >>> a Barracuda spam filter. From there it's forwarded to Google Apps. >>> >>> Well recently $CUSTOMER has been bouncing around a TON of internal email >>> due to sending internal distribution lists. Then people "reply all" the >>> message, Spawning another 300+ emails. So the key here. Is that google >>> apps. Even for internal user to user mail. Does an MX lookup and sends the >>> mail to whatever it gets back. So even their internal mail gets looped >>> through our barracuda filter. >>> >>> Well, Mail started to stack up in the barracuda getting rejected by >>> google SMTP for exceeding the users rate limit. Which is apparently 180 >>> messages a minute, 3600 an hour. Or 86,400 a day. Google swears this is >>> "per-user". Not per domain. Or per sending IP. But it appears that's >>> incorrect. As no one user has received that much mail. The domain as a >>> whole has. As well as a single sending IP (Our barracuda) exceeded that >>> limit. >>> >>> After about an hour on the phone with support. They asked me to send >>> them headers. Only to reply four hours later with a carbon copy of the >>> error message I was already given in the SMTP session ( >>> http://support.google.com/mail/answer/6592). >>> >>> Guess we'll see how they respond to my follow up email. >>> >>> Nick Olsen >>> Network Operations >>> (855) FLSPEED x106 >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From*: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >>> *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:44 AM >>> >>> *To*: [email protected] >>> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting >>> >>> >>> Eh "If you can't fix my problem find someone who can". >>> >>> What is the issue? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> On Mar 7, 2014 9:40 AM, "Nick Olsen" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Darn, And here I thought you had some kind of Google Apps secret for >>>> me. Like "Talk to the Irish people, They're the competent ones". >>>> >>>> Granted, That would've been an awkward phone call. "Can I speak to.. >>>> The .. Irish... people?" >>>> >>>> Nick Olsen >>>> Network Operations >>>> (855) FLSPEED x106 >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From*: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:36 AM >>>> *To*: [email protected] >>>> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting >>>> >>>> >>>> Well I'm bad at my foreign accents. I thought I read Scottish or Irish. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> On Mar 7, 2014 9:09 AM, "Nick Olsen" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for sure. >>>>> >>>>> Nick Olsen >>>>> Network Operations >>>>> (855) FLSPEED x106 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From*: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:07 AM >>>>> *To*: [email protected] >>>>> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Did you talk to the Irish people? >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> On Mar 7, 2014 9:01 AM, "Nick Olsen" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email issue >>>>>> most of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. >>>>>> /2cents >>>>>> >>>>>> Nick Olsen >>>>>> Network Operations >>>>>> (855) FLSPEED x106 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From*: "Mac Dearman" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Sent*: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM >>>>>> *To*: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting >>>>>> >>>>>> Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care >>>>>> of the >>>>>> customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in >>>>>> their >>>>>> webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc >>>>>> is all >>>>>> just a hyperlink and its done. It has been too easy. I didn't say it >>>>>> was >>>>>> free :-) , but it sure is sweet >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mac >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Robert >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:32 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow, I went through a nightmare with a customer who was using >>>>>> GoDaddy... >>>>>> We switched them to gmail and they are happy now.. They got NO help >>>>>> from GoDaddy... around and around they went.. Both on our network and >>>>>> charter so was able to eliminate that as the problem.. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 03/06/2014 01:14 PM, Mac Dearman wrote: >>>>>> > We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months >>>>>> > now and I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us. >>>>>> > Their spam solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a >>>>>> > month per sub, but they have really nice webmail. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > YMMV, GL >>>>>> > Mac >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >>>>>> ] >>>>>> > On Behalf Of Matt >>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:11 PM >>>>>> > To: WISPA General List >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> We are using tucows/opensrs. The antispam isn't as good as Postini >>>>>> was. >>>>>> >> But we fired Postini/Google when I found out that they spy on the >>>>>> >> customer's communications. 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