2x 80 MHz channels. Well, just divide by 2 however many times to get however many channels at whatever channel size.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elton Wilson" <el...@alohabroadband.net> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:25:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released I see the advertised speeds of over 1gps, but I assume that is with 80mhz channels. What can we expect from a 20 or 40mhz channel size? Also, you mentioned that you can have up to 4 Colocated antennas using the same frequency. What if they are on different towers, but the towers can see each other? I assume you can still use GPS to sync them up ( I am ignorant as I have never used GPS sync before). On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Josh Reynolds < j...@spitwspots.com > wrote: Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the "easy method" it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the case of PtMP). What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP? Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote: <blockquote> +1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;) Alas good ideas do take time. The trick Josh that we found was that it’s incredibly difficult to change channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change. This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now. Jaime On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@spitwspots.com > wrote: <blockquote> Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about in July :) http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941 Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: <blockquote> For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps more than everything else. Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out or pick it up from the intended secrecy. At least it worked for one person =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@spitwspots.com > wrote: <blockquote> You're... out of the loop. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > The PtMP. > > > Matt Hoppes > Director of Information Technology > Indigo Wireless > +1 (570) 723-7312 > > On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> What are you "what"ing? >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> < https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL >< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb >< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions >< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" < mhop...@indigowireless.com > >> *To: *"WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > >> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released >> >> Wait... whut? >> >> >> Matt Hoppes >> Director of Information Technology >> Indigo Wireless >> +1 (570) 723-7312 >> >> On 8/5/14, 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >>> Jamie, >>> >>> We're incredibly excited by your announcement, and eagerly await PtMP ;) >>> >>> Josh Reynolds, CIO >>> SPITwSPOTS >>> www.spitwspots.com >>> >>> On 08/05/2014 11:30 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: >>>> 4 for the same channel is our general recommendation for the >>>> integrated antenna, angles will vary based on link power/distances, >>>> worst case is about 85 +/- 5 degrees, if we're going for max >> performance. >>>> That doesn't limit colocation on the tower at 4, that number can go up >>>> of course in different channels, and channel widths. >>>> >>>> We're finishing off a "colocation planner" in our cloud tools that >>>> automates those answers for you based on your radio location link >>>> plans, coming soon! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Jaime >>>> >>>> On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:12 PM, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net >>>> <mailto: wispawirel...@ics-il.net >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks a bunch! >>>>> >>>>> So then is there a hard limit of 4 radios per location or is that >>>>> just best you could do with the integrated antenna model? >>>>> >>>>> Must there be an even distribution (every 90*)? I assume not, so >>>>> what's the minimum isolation? >>>>> >>>>> If I had 6' super high performance dishes, could I put more than 4 >>>>> radios up? Not that I'm likely to use dishes that big, but I do have >>>>> towers with four backhauls already and I would like some more in >>>>> other directions. >>>>> >>>>> Just trying to figure out where the number four came from and how >>>>> hard is that number. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >> < https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL >< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb >< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions >< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL > >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Jaime Fink" < ja...@mimosa.co <mailto: ja...@mimosa.co >> >>>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org >>>>> <mailto: wireless@wispa.org >> >>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:38:12 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released >>>>> >>>>> Mike, >>>>> >>>>> Definitely wanted to clarify on your question/comment on colocation >>>>> capacities for the group. >>>>> >>>>> For the B5 backhaul PTP technology, colocation is in separate >>>>> directional paths, so 4 of the B5s can be colocated sharing the same >>>>> channels, but must be directionally coordinated, this leverages >>>>> integrated 1PPS GPS+GLONASS TDMA sync. >>>>> >>>>> As Fred pointed out nicely, the B5 has a fantastic aperture >>>>> efficiency integrated antenna that is about as clean as there is out >>>>> there, and the RF isolation techniques needed to get us to that >>>>> performance. >>>>> >>>>> No magic pixie dust, just great technology. >>>>> >>>>> Looking to the future, for sharing the same antenna pattern/path, I >>>>> absolutely see these capacities, but that will more be leveraged for >>>>> PTMP beamforming and MU-MIMO technology shared across multiple >>>>> clients. We’re on public record about the work that we’re doing with >>>>> our partner Quantenna on their next generation technology they’ve >>>>> announced for 2015 called 10G Wi-Fi. You can imagine the amount of >>>>> compute that takes, bordering more on magic pixie dust! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* • *Chief Product Officer* >>>>> 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co >>>>> < http://www.mimosa.co > >>>>> >>>>> This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the >>>>> sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution >>>>> or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the >>>>> intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), >>>>> please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of >>>>> this message. >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net >>>>> <mailto: wispawirel...@ics-il.net >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>From a TechCrunch article: >>>>> >>>>> The B5 backhaul radio is a piece of hardware that uses >>>>> multiple-input and multiple-output (MIMO) technology to provide >>>>> up to 16 streams and 4 Gbps of output when multiple radios are >>>>> using the same channel. >>>>> >>>>> Now I wonder if that is four radios on the same path? If so, >>>>> that's pretty amazing. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >> < https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL >< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb >< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions >< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL > >>>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Fred Goldstein" < fgoldst...@ionary.com >>>>> <mailto: fgoldst...@ionary.com >> >>>>> *To: * wireless@wispa.org <mailto: wireless@wispa.org > >>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:21:29 AM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released >>>>> >>>>> On 8/5/2014 11:21 AM, Adair Winter wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I didn't want to be negative nelly this morning. But that was >>>>> my thought also.. >>>>> I'm moving as much as possible to licensed links because I >>>>> can't hardly keep my 5Ghz PtP's running out of my data center. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The 5 GHz band is getting quite crowded, but at least this new >>>>> radio seems to be efficient in how it uses the spectrum. Any of >>>>> these U-NII radios essentially transmits based on demand. If >>>>> traffic is 10 Mbps and the link is capable of 500 Mbps, it won't >>>>> be on the air very much of the time. So it doesn't need the >>>>> frequency all to itself. We are doing a lot of urban links and >>>>> share the frequencies with all sorts of stuff, including "Cable >>>>> WiFi" (all over, even below 5250, ugh), but it doesn't kill >>>>> performance, at least for the type of moderate load applications >>>>> (mostly cameras) we're supporting on 5 GHz. >>>>> >>>>> We do most of the backhaul on higher frequencies but 5 GHz is >>>>> sometimes used as a backup to take over during rain fade. During >>>>> the storm last week that brought a tornado just a few subway >>>>> stops from downtown Boston, we even lost 11 GHz links for time. >>>>> The rainfall was off the charts for the second time in a month. >>>>> But 5 Ghz links hardly noticed it. >>>>> >>>>> Also to Mimosa's credit, it comes with a 44 cm 25 dB dish, whose >>>>> narrowness helps with frequency reuse. It will probably produce >>>>> a lot less clutter than outdoor access points, or even some >>>>> indoor access points that use more power than necessary. (We put >>>>> a NanoBridge 5G25 on a hilltop and were able to pick up WLANs >>>>> inside office towers four miles away.) And they are petitioning >>>>> the FCC to open up 10 GHz under Part 90 (light licensing, like >> 3650). >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Matt Hoppes >>>>> < mhop...@indigowireless.com >>>>> <mailto: mhop...@indigowireless.com >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Oh dear.... so more backhauling noise on the 5GHz spectrum? >>>>> >>>>> AF5 + Mimosa.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Matt Hoppes >>>>> Director of Information Technology >>>>> Indigo Wireless >>>>> +1 (570) 723-7312 <tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/5/14, 9:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: >>>>> > Have to give them credit on the website. Nice look J >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > *_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**Author >>>>> of "Learn >>>>> > RouterOS- Second Edition >>>>> > < http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm >” >>>>> > >>>>> > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support >>>>> > Services >>>>> > >>>>> > Office*: 314-735-0270 <tel: 314-735-0270 > >>>>> <tel: 314-735-0270 <tel: 314-735-0270 >> *Website*: >>>>> > http://www.linktechs.net < http://www.linktechs.net/ > >>>>> < http://www.linktechs.net/ > – *Skype*: >>>>> > linktechs >>>>> > < skype:linktechs?call > >>>>> > */ /**/-- Create Wireless Coverage’s with >>>>> /* www.towercoverage.com < http://www.towercoverage.com/ > >>>>> > < http://www.towercoverage.com/ >*//*/–*900Mhz – LTE – 3G >>>>> – 3.65 – TV >>>>> > Whitespace */ >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>> <mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > >>>>> [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>> <mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >] >>>>> > *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini >>>>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:49 AM >>>>> > *To:* WISPA General List >>>>> > *Subject:* [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Gino A. 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