I agree with Paul on this one for sure. I don't know much about the Procera box but is their method support by Apple or is more of a traditional in-line proxy that intercepts and redirects the communication?
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Paul Conlin <pcon...@blazebroadband.com> wrote: > Because management of Apple iOS updates is one big thing that Procera can > do to help optimize a WISPs network. But if you are running a low cost low > overhead Apple update caching server you could very easily do this without > an expensive Procera box. > > PC > Blaze Broadband > > > On October 30, 2014 5:33:59 PM EDT, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com> > wrote: >> >> Quick question, >> >> Maybe I missed something, but how did we go from traffic shaping and DPI >> devices to something that does caching for apple stuff? Those are two >> entirely different classes of products. >> >> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer >> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com >> On 10/30/2014 01:30 PM, Chris Wright wrote: >> >> It can work on networks not behind a NAT. >> >> http://help.apple.com/serverapp/mac/4.0/#/apd6015d9573 >> >> >> >> Chris Wright >> >> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/> >> >> >> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> <wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:38 PM >> *To:* WISPA General List >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> >> >> >> Okay, so it would be for networks behind a NAT. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net> >> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:22:16 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> >> Disregard my “AFAIK” answer. This is the real answer per >> http://www.nbalonso.com/os-x-server-caching/ >> >> >> >> “The cache server registers online with Apple and provides it’s public >> IP, your servers local IP, internal DNS name? (not sure of the dns)” >> >> >> >> Chris Wright >> >> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/> >> >> >> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> <wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:12 PM >> *To:* WISPA General List >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> >> >> >> I couldn't see how other people are supposed to know you have one of >> these caches running. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net> >> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:10:36 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> >> OSX Server is a $19.99 add-on to OSX Yosemite. You can virtualize OSX in >> ESXi (of course it won’t be supported by Apple unless it’s Apple hardware.) >> >> >> >> Chris Wright >> >> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/> >> >> >> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> <wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Paul Conlin >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:57 AM >> *To:* WISPA General List >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> >> >> >> Unless the caching server is free. Under what conditions does Apple put >> one of these in? >> >> PC >> Blaze Broadband >> >> On October 28, 2014 1:41:41 PM EDT, Josh Luthman < >> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> >> I don't think many people care about caching servers in this regard. >> The issue isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all the APs. >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way <t...@way.lc> wrote: >> >> For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at Apple's >> Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides Apple software updates, >> iTunes content and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is >> transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source IP of the device >> asking for content and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. >> My day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college. This has >> prevented the "APPLE DAYS OF DOOM" when they release updates in regards to >> our open (public) wireless network. >> >> >> >> Tim Way >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco < >> paolo.difrance...@level7.it> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much bandwidth you have >> (and the experince you want to give to the users) >> >> In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they (all) try to >> improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing the bandwidth >> with their policies that could or could not fit your policies. >> >> Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic locally (e.g. >> Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but for sure you have to >> work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic. The nice thing, in >> that case, is that you will be more aware of what your users are doing >> and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story is that you have >> to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the hardware, many are >> using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik models. >> >> For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a lot :) >> >> Just my 2 cents >> >> >> >> > Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to Exinda for >> > years, we are now considering removing bandwidth managers altogether >> > and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS policies on core routers >> > & layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using Netflow. >> > >> > More work, but much less $$. Allows us to invest in infrastructure >> > rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth management devices. >> > >> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> > *On Behalf Of *Larry A. Weidig >> > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM >> > *To:* WISPA General List >> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> > >> > Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems they have a product and a >> > library available. Have contacted them for additional information. >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net <mailto:lwei...@excel.net>) >> > Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ >> > (920) 452-0455 <%28920%29%20452-0455> – Sheboygan/Plymouth area >> > (888) 489-9995 <%28888%29%20489-9995> – Other areas, toll-free >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@spitwspots.com <mailto: >> j...@spitwspots.com>> >> > *To: *wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >> > *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 7:15:20 PM >> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> > >> > should check out ipoque and their PACE engine >> > >> > Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer >> > SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com> >> > >> > On 10/24/2014 03:40 PM, Larry A. Weidig wrote: >> > >> > We have done some searching in this arena and have only found a >> > couple of what seem to be similar products available: >> > >> > Allot Communications - NetEnforcer (does a lot, costs a lot so >> > they live up to their name :) ) >> > >> > Netaxcel - Found it, did not dig far into it >> > >> > NetEqualizer - Reasonable, but not as featured as Procera / Allot >> > >> > Emerging Technologies - We used to have one of their boxes, would >> > not EVER use again not because of the software / hardware but the >> > owner / lead developer which may have changed as it was a long >> > time ago we used this >> > >> > Overall it seemed Procera was the best solution, just having a >> > difficult time justifying the expense as well. I say we all throw >> > in $5K, hire some developers and get one made that we have control >> > over :) I have to believe some decent server quality hardware >> > running on an open source operating system with custom code could >> > fit the bill. Just don't have time to work on this myself. >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net <mailto:lwei...@excel.net>) >> > Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ >> > (920) 452-0455 <%28920%29%20452-0455> – Sheboygan/Plymouth area >> > (888) 489-9995 <%28888%29%20489-9995> – Other areas, toll-free >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > *From: *"Dave Barker" <d...@broadlincwireless.com> >> > <mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com> >> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >> > *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 4:38:16 PM >> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >> > >> > Back to the original question, is there anything else out there >> > that does what Procera can do? >> > >> > >> > On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Art Stephens <asteph...@ptera.com >> > <mailto:asteph...@ptera.com>> wrote: >> > >> > I can not speak for sales since we bought our Procera through >> > Powercode - but tech support has be very responsive using >> > their web based support system. >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Arthur Stephens >> > >> > Senior Networking Technician >> > >> > Ptera Inc. >> > >> > PO Box 135 >> > >> > 24001 E Mission Suite 50 >> > >> > Liberty Lake, WA 99019 >> > >> > 509-927-7837 >> > >> > ptera.com <http://ptera.com> >> > >> > facebook.com/PteraInc <http://facebook.com/PteraInc> | >> > twitter.com/Ptera <http://twitter.com/Ptera> >> > >> > >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > "This message may contain confidential and/or propriety >> > information, and is intended for the person/entity to whom it >> > was originally addressed. >> > >> > Any use by others is strictly prohibited. Please note that any >> > views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >> > the author and are not intended to represent those of the >> > company." >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:36 PM, heith <wi...@mncomm.com >> > <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>> wrote: >> > >> > So the last booth I visited at Wispa in Vegas was the >> > Procera booth. I am hooked and want to learn more, but at >> > $17k a pop it’s a little hard to swallow, as I would need >> > to purchase 4 of them for my current locations that I >> > serve. Are there any other solution I can look for to do >> > similar functions that may be more cost effective? >> > >> > __ >> > >> > _I am also a little leery at the fact that I have left >> > them 2 voice mail messages as well as sent an email from >> > earlier this week with no return call. So that’s a concern >> > if it takes a while to get sales support if tech support >> > would be any different. So I was wanting some feed back >> > from some actual users of their product or other similar >> > products._ >> > >> > __ >> > >> > _Thanks_ >> > >> > _Heith_ >> > >> > _ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wireless mailing list >> > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless_ >> > >> > _ >> > >> > _ >> > >> > __ >> > >> > __ >> > >> > ________________________________________________ >> > Wireless mailing list >> > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless_ >> > >> > _ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wireless mailing list >> > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless_ >> > >> > __ >> > >> > _ >> > >> > _ >> > >> > _________________________________________________ >> > >> > _Wireless mailing list_ >> > >> > _wirel...@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org>_ >> > >> > _http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless_ >> > >> > _ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wireless mailing list >> > Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless_ >> > >> > __ >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wireless mailing list >> > Wireless@wispa.org >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Ing. 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