Porcera is a packet shaper On Thursday, October 30, 2014, Tim Way <t...@way.vg> wrote:
> I agree with Paul on this one for sure. I don't know much about the > Procera box but is their method support by Apple or is more of a > traditional in-line proxy that intercepts and redirects the communication? > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Paul Conlin <pcon...@blazebroadband.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pcon...@blazebroadband.com');>> wrote: > >> Because management of Apple iOS updates is one big thing that Procera can >> do to help optimize a WISPs network. But if you are running a low cost low >> overhead Apple update caching server you could very easily do this without >> an expensive Procera box. >> >> PC >> Blaze Broadband >> >> >> On October 30, 2014 5:33:59 PM EDT, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@spitwspots.com');>> wrote: >>> >>> Quick question, >>> >>> Maybe I missed something, but how did we go from traffic shaping and DPI >>> devices to something that does caching for apple stuff? Those are two >>> entirely different classes of products. >>> >>> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer >>> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com >>> On 10/30/2014 01:30 PM, Chris Wright wrote: >>> >>> It can work on networks not behind a NAT. >>> >>> http://help.apple.com/serverapp/mac/4.0/#/apd6015d9573 >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Wright >>> >>> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org');> [ >>> mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org');>] *On >>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:38 PM >>> *To:* WISPA General List >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> >>> >>> >>> Okay, so it would be for networks behind a NAT. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@velociter.net');>> >>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless@wispa.org');>> >>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:22:16 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> >>> Disregard my “AFAIK” answer. This is the real answer per >>> http://www.nbalonso.com/os-x-server-caching/ >>> >>> >>> >>> “The cache server registers online with Apple and provides it’s public >>> IP, your servers local IP, internal DNS name? (not sure of the dns)” >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Wright >>> >>> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org');> [ >>> mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org');>] *On >>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:12 PM >>> *To:* WISPA General List >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> >>> >>> >>> I couldn't see how other people are supposed to know you have one of >>> these caches running. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@velociter.net');>> >>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless@wispa.org');>> >>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:10:36 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> >>> OSX Server is a $19.99 add-on to OSX Yosemite. You can virtualize OSX in >>> ESXi (of course it won’t be supported by Apple unless it’s Apple hardware.) >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Wright >>> >>> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org');> [ >>> mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org');>] *On >>> Behalf Of *Paul Conlin >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:57 AM >>> *To:* WISPA General List >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> >>> >>> >>> Unless the caching server is free. Under what conditions does Apple put >>> one of these in? >>> >>> PC >>> Blaze Broadband >>> >>> On October 28, 2014 1:41:41 PM EDT, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com');>> wrote: >>> >>> I don't think many people care about caching servers in this regard. >>> The issue isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all the APs. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way <t...@way.lc >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','t...@way.lc');>> wrote: >>> >>> For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at Apple's >>> Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides Apple software updates, >>> iTunes content and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is >>> transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source IP of the device >>> asking for content and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. >>> My day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college. This has >>> prevented the "APPLE DAYS OF DOOM" when they release updates in regards to >>> our open (public) wireless network. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim Way >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco < >>> paolo.difrance...@level7.it >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','paolo.difrance...@level7.it');>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much bandwidth you have >>> (and the experince you want to give to the users) >>> >>> In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they (all) try to >>> improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing the bandwidth >>> with their policies that could or could not fit your policies. >>> >>> Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic locally (e.g. >>> Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but for sure you have to >>> work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic. The nice thing, in >>> that case, is that you will be more aware of what your users are doing >>> and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story is that you have >>> to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the hardware, many are >>> using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik models. >>> >>> For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a lot :) >>> >>> Just my 2 cents >>> >>> >>> >>> > Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to Exinda for >>> > years, we are now considering removing bandwidth managers altogether >>> > and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS policies on core routers >>> > & layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using Netflow. >>> > >>> > More work, but much less $$. Allows us to invest in infrastructure >>> > rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth management devices. >>> > >>> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org');> [mailto: >>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless-boun...@wispa.org');>] >>> > *On Behalf Of *Larry A. Weidig >>> > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM >>> > *To:* WISPA General List >>> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> > >>> > Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems they have a product and a >>> > library available. Have contacted them for additional information. >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lwei...@excel.net');> <mailto: >>> lwei...@excel.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lwei...@excel.net');>>) >>> > Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ >>> > (920) 452-0455 <%28920%29%20452-0455> – Sheboygan/Plymouth area >>> > (888) 489-9995 <%28888%29%20489-9995> – Other areas, toll-free >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@spitwspots.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@spitwspots.com');> <mailto: >>> j...@spitwspots.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@spitwspots.com');>>> >>> > *To: *wireless@wispa.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless@wispa.org');> <mailto: >>> wireless@wispa.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless@wispa.org');>> >>> > *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 7:15:20 PM >>> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> > >>> > should check out ipoque and their PACE engine >>> > >>> > Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer >>> > SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com> >>> > >>> > On 10/24/2014 03:40 PM, Larry A. Weidig wrote: >>> > >>> > We have done some searching in this arena and have only found a >>> > couple of what seem to be similar products available: >>> > >>> > Allot Communications - NetEnforcer (does a lot, costs a lot so >>> > they live up to their name :) ) >>> > >>> > Netaxcel - Found it, did not dig far into it >>> > >>> > NetEqualizer - Reasonable, but not as featured as Procera / Allot >>> > >>> > Emerging Technologies - We used to have one of their boxes, would >>> > not EVER use again not because of the software / hardware but the >>> > owner / lead developer which may have changed as it was a long >>> > time ago we used this >>> > >>> > Overall it seemed Procera was the best solution, just having a >>> > difficult time justifying the expense as well. I say we all throw >>> > in $5K, hire some developers and get one made that we have control >>> > over :) I have to believe some decent server quality hardware >>> > running on an open source operating system with custom code could >>> > fit the bill. Just don't have time to work on this myself. >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lwei...@excel.net');> <mailto: >>> lwei...@excel.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lwei...@excel.net');>>) >>> > Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ >>> > (920) 452-0455 <%28920%29%20452-0455> – Sheboygan/Plymouth area >>> > (888) 489-9995 <%28888%29%20489-9995> – Other areas, toll-free >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > *From: *"Dave Barker" <d...@broadlincwireless.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','d...@broadlincwireless.com');>> >>> > <mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','d...@broadlincwireless.com');>> >>> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless@wispa.org');>> >>> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless@wispa.org');>> >>> > *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 4:38:16 PM >>> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> > >>> > Back to the original question, is there anything else out there >>> > that does what Procera can do? >>> > >>> > >>> > On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Art Stephens <asteph...@ptera.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','asteph...@ptera.com');> >>> > <mailto:asteph...@ptera.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','asteph...@ptera.com');>>> wrote: >>> > >>> > I can not speak for sales since we bought our Procera through >>> > Powercode - but tech support has be very responsive using >>> > their web based support system. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > Arthur Stephens >>> > >>> > Senior Networking Technician >>> > >>> > Ptera Inc. >>> > >>> > PO Box 135 >>> > >>> > 24001 E Mission Suite 50 >>> > >>> > Liberty Lake, WA 99019 >>> > >>> > 509-927-7837 >>> > >>> > ptera.com <http://ptera.com> >>> > >>> > facebook.com/PteraInc <http://facebook.com/PteraInc> | >>> > twitter.com/Ptera <http://twitter.com/Ptera> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>> > >>> > "This message may contain confidential and/or propriety >>> > information, and is intended for the person/entity to whom it >>> > was originally addressed. >>> > >>> > Any use by others is strictly prohibited. Please note that any >>> > views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> > the author and are not intended to represent those of the >>> > company." >>> > >>> > On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:36 PM, heith <wi...@mncomm.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wi...@mncomm.com');> >>> > <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wi...@mncomm.com');>>> wrote: >>> > >>> > So the last booth I visited at Wispa in Vegas was the >>> > Procera booth. I am hooked and want to learn more, but at >>> > $17k a pop it’s a little hard to swallow, as I would need >>> > to purchase 4 of them for my current locations that I >>> > serve. Are there any other solution I can look for to do >>> > similar functions that may be more cost effective? >>> > >>> > __ >>> > >>> > _I am also a little leery at the fact that I have left >>> > them 2 voice mail messages as well as sent an email from >>> > earlier this week with no return call. So that’s a concern >>> > if it takes a while to get sales support if tech support >>> > would be any different. 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