Ya I see ya there. I'm surprised you are having that much congestion on those back haul links out to the tower unless the AP itself on the tower is maxed out during the peak hours. Is that pretty common for some of the other WISP providers out there? Is it more often the back-haul or the capacity of a particular radio? What are the ways people are solving it when a particular radio is chatty during peak hours? Do you put another (set of sectors) in another frequency and connect some customers to that one if their is frequency to spare? Is moving towards a model where you have more source radios (towers/cells) so the density on a particular radio isn't as high?
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Simon Westlake <si...@powercode.com> wrote: > It is a completely different solution. There would be no caching, it's > all shaping or filtering. For example, what we do is, during peak hours, no > software updates or backup systems (like Dropbox, Carbonite, etc) can use > more than 128Kbps per customer. Outside peak hours, we let them run wild. > > A caching server wouldn't do us any good unless we put one at each tower. > Our upstream is not the problem. > > > On 10/30/2014 11:51 PM, Tim Way wrote: > > I agree with Paul on this one for sure. I don't know much about the > Procera box but is their method support by Apple or is more of a > traditional in-line proxy that intercepts and redirects the communication? > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Paul Conlin <pcon...@blazebroadband.com> > wrote: > >> Because management of Apple iOS updates is one big thing that Procera can >> do to help optimize a WISPs network. But if you are running a low cost low >> overhead Apple update caching server you could very easily do this without >> an expensive Procera box. >> >> PC >> Blaze Broadband >> >> >> On October 30, 2014 5:33:59 PM EDT, Josh Reynolds <j...@spitwspots.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Quick question, >>> >>> Maybe I missed something, but how did we go from traffic shaping and DPI >>> devices to something that does caching for apple stuff? Those are two >>> entirely different classes of products. >>> >>> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer >>> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com >>> On 10/30/2014 01:30 PM, Chris Wright wrote: >>> >>> It can work on networks not behind a NAT. >>> >>> http://help.apple.com/serverapp/mac/4.0/#/apd6015d9573 >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Wright >>> >>> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> <wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:38 PM >>> *To:* WISPA General List >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> >>> >>> >>> Okay, so it would be for networks behind a NAT. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net> >>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:22:16 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> >>> Disregard my “AFAIK” answer. This is the real answer per >>> http://www.nbalonso.com/os-x-server-caching/ >>> >>> >>> >>> “The cache server registers online with Apple and provides it’s public >>> IP, your servers local IP, internal DNS name? (not sure of the dns)” >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Wright >>> >>> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> <wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:12 PM >>> *To:* WISPA General List >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> >>> >>> >>> I couldn't see how other people are supposed to know you have one of >>> these caches running. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net> >>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:10:36 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> >>> OSX Server is a $19.99 add-on to OSX Yosemite. You can virtualize OSX in >>> ESXi (of course it won’t be supported by Apple unless it’s Apple hardware.) >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Wright >>> >>> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> <wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Paul Conlin >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:57 AM >>> *To:* WISPA General List >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> >>> >>> >>> Unless the caching server is free. Under what conditions does Apple put >>> one of these in? >>> >>> PC >>> Blaze Broadband >>> >>> On October 28, 2014 1:41:41 PM EDT, Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >>> I don't think many people care about caching servers in this regard. >>> The issue isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all the APs. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way <t...@way.lc> wrote: >>> >>> For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at Apple's >>> Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides Apple software updates, >>> iTunes content and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is >>> transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source IP of the device >>> asking for content and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching server. >>> My day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college. This has >>> prevented the "APPLE DAYS OF DOOM" when they release updates in regards to >>> our open (public) wireless network. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim Way >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco < >>> paolo.difrance...@level7.it> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much bandwidth you have >>> (and the experince you want to give to the users) >>> >>> In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they (all) try to >>> improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing the bandwidth >>> with their policies that could or could not fit your policies. >>> >>> Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic locally (e.g. >>> Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but for sure you have to >>> work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic. The nice thing, in >>> that case, is that you will be more aware of what your users are doing >>> and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story is that you have >>> to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the hardware, many are >>> using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik models. >>> >>> For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a lot :) >>> >>> Just my 2 cents >>> >>> >>> >>> > Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to Exinda for >>> > years, we are now considering removing bandwidth managers altogether >>> > and relying solely on policing on radios, QoS policies on core routers >>> > & layer 3 switches, and monitoring flows using Netflow. >>> > >>> > More work, but much less $$. Allows us to invest in infrastructure >>> > rather than extraordinarily expensive bandwidth management devices. >>> > >>> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> > *On Behalf Of *Larry A. Weidig >>> > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 10:17 PM >>> > *To:* WISPA General List >>> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> > >>> > Very interesting, thanks for the lead. Seems they have a product and a >>> > library available. Have contacted them for additional information. >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net <mailto:lwei...@excel.net>) >>> > Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ >>> > (920) 452-0455 <%28920%29%20452-0455> – Sheboygan/Plymouth area >>> > (888) 489-9995 <%28888%29%20489-9995> – Other areas, toll-free >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@spitwspots.com <mailto: >>> j...@spitwspots.com>> >>> > *To: *wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >>> > *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 7:15:20 PM >>> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> > >>> > should check out ipoque and their PACE engine >>> > >>> > Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer >>> > SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com> >>> > >>> > On 10/24/2014 03:40 PM, Larry A. Weidig wrote: >>> > >>> > We have done some searching in this arena and have only found a >>> > couple of what seem to be similar products available: >>> > >>> > Allot Communications - NetEnforcer (does a lot, costs a lot so >>> > they live up to their name :) ) >>> > >>> > Netaxcel - Found it, did not dig far into it >>> > >>> > NetEqualizer - Reasonable, but not as featured as Procera / Allot >>> > >>> > Emerging Technologies - We used to have one of their boxes, would >>> > not EVER use again not because of the software / hardware but the >>> > owner / lead developer which may have changed as it was a long >>> > time ago we used this >>> > >>> > Overall it seemed Procera was the best solution, just having a >>> > difficult time justifying the expense as well. I say we all throw >>> > in $5K, hire some developers and get one made that we have control >>> > over :) I have to believe some decent server quality hardware >>> > running on an open source operating system with custom code could >>> > fit the bill. Just don't have time to work on this myself. >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net <mailto:lwei...@excel.net>) >>> > Excel.Net, Inc. – http://www.excel.net/ >>> > (920) 452-0455 <%28920%29%20452-0455> – Sheboygan/Plymouth area >>> > (888) 489-9995 <%28888%29%20489-9995> – Other areas, toll-free >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > *From: *"Dave Barker" <d...@broadlincwireless.com> >>> > <mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com> >>> > *To: *"WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >>> > *Sent: *Friday, October 24, 2014 4:38:16 PM >>> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product >>> > >>> > Back to the original question, is there anything else out there >>> > that does what Procera can do? >>> > >>> > >>> > On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Art Stephens <asteph...@ptera.com >>> > <mailto:asteph...@ptera.com>> wrote: >>> > >>> > I can not speak for sales since we bought our Procera through >>> > Powercode - but tech support has be very responsive using >>> > their web based support system. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > Arthur Stephens >>> > >>> > Senior Networking Technician >>> > >>> > Ptera Inc. >>> > >>> > PO Box 135 >>> > >>> > 24001 E Mission Suite 50 >>> > >>> > Liberty Lake, WA 99019 >>> > >>> > 509-927-7837 >>> > >>> > ptera.com <http://ptera.com> >>> > >>> > facebook.com/PteraInc <http://facebook.com/PteraInc> | >>> > twitter.com/Ptera <http://twitter.com/Ptera> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>> > >>> > "This message may contain confidential and/or propriety >>> > information, and is intended for the person/entity to whom it >>> > was originally addressed. >>> > >>> > Any use by others is strictly prohibited. Please note that any >>> > views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> > the author and are not intended to represent those of the >>> > company." >>> > >>> > On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:36 PM, heith <wi...@mncomm.com >>> > <mailto:wi...@mncomm.com>> wrote: >>> > >>> > So the last booth I visited at Wispa in Vegas was the >>> > Procera booth. I am hooked and want to learn more, but at >>> > $17k a pop it’s a little hard to swallow, as I would need >>> > to purchase 4 of them for my current locations that I >>> > serve. Are there any other solution I can look for to do >>> > similar functions that may be more cost effective? >>> > >>> > __ >>> > >>> > _I am also a little leery at the fact that I have left >>> > them 2 voice mail messages as well as sent an email from >>> > earlier this week with no return call. So that’s a concern >>> > if it takes a while to get sales support if tech support >>> > would be any different. 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