So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for authentication. Very cool.
Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with making that work. As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user traffic. In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel to the EPC. However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a monkey wrench into that whole theory. For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go to/from the core for that to work. How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it, because I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's perspective as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of the user traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that user traffic be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB implement part of the EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself? If you wanted to, could you elect to shut those off and have it ship user traffic off to an external EPC as well? What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs? Does Baicells provide those as well? Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and vice-versa? -- Nathan ________________________________________ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net] Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and UEs. Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup. With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core. UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs. Things to test: 1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB 2. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB coming out soon to add VPLS) 3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ? 4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side? 5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE. One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only send SIM card authorization to the core. All customer data goes out to its gateway and not to the core. Matthew Carpenter Amarillo Wireless 806-316-5071 On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote: You just gonna call up baicell and get the info? On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: Eh. VPN router. On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote: probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their hosted core, it would be more difficult. The other way around works great though. On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: Since LTE is a standard.... I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the baicells EPC?? *gear spinning* On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote: Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to other vendors. for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc. Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have one. so look at the long term when pricing. On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing. I asked last week. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340> Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: I've said too much. I haven't said enough. Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote: He said "real" good ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Hoppes<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> To: WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? As opposed to bad? :P. On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: "Good"? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340> Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: True. It's good though. Real good. On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> wrote: We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one. On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> wrote: Whats the pricing like? On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/ On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote: Ours* brain fart. We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of testing. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Christian Palecek <christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though. Only getting one I guess. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today. On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net<mailto:mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>> wrote: By: Douglas Adams "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason." John Michael Francis II JMF Solutions, Inc Wavefly Technologies Internet - Voip - Cloud 251-517-5069<tel:251-517-5069> http://jmfsolutions.net http://wavefly.com On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340> Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net<mailto:mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>> wrote: We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented. Best regards, John Michael Francis II JMF Solutions, Inc Wavefly Technologies Internet - Voip - Cloud 251-517-5069<tel:251-517-5069> http://jmfsolutions.net http://wavefly.com On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak > yet :P Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very > soon. > > On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? 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