Okay, cool, so if one intermixes Baicells and Telrad on a network with their own core, one can unify the experience across the line for their customers; good.
The *eNB* is NATting? With no option to turn off if using local breakout? (Not that I guess it matters if planning to use one's own core.) I had not considered that since Baicells runs the core that their SIMs are pre-populated into that they likely don't give you the keys. Makes sense. Many thanks, -- Nathan ________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew Carpenter [[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 3:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? The Biacells eNB can be changed to send all customer traffic to the core, or you can send customer traffic to it's local Gateway. We have not tried sending all the customer traffic from a Biacells eNB to our Telrad core, but it is something I want to test out. The Biacells eNB has NAT turned on for customer traffic when using its local Gateway. Currently Telrad does not support peeling off customer traffic and sending to the its local Gateway.. it all have to go to the Core. The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core. We were not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells. A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a Biacells eNB and Biacells Core. Matt Carpenter On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Matt Hoppes <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Local offloading is a standard LTE feature. You do need an a device to do it, which in guessing Bai has built into their eNB. > On Jun 19, 2016, at 17:07, Nathan Anderson > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for > authentication. Very cool. > > Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on > Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with > making that work. As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user > traffic. In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel to > the EPC. > > However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user > traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a > monkey wrench into that whole theory. For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a > Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go to/from > the core for that to work. > > How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even > work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it, because > I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's perspective > as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of the user > traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that user traffic > be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB implement part of the > EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself? If you wanted to, could you elect > to shut those off and have it ship user traffic off to an external EPC as > well? > > What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs? Does Baicells provide those > as well? Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and vice-versa? > > -- Nathan > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of > Matthew Carpenter > [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? > > So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and UEs. > > Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup. > With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core. > > UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs. > > Things to test: > 1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB > 2. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I > don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB > coming out soon to add VPLS) > 3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ? > 4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side? > 5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE. > > One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only send > SIM card authorization to the core. All customer data goes out to its > gateway and not to the core. > > Matthew Carpenter > Amarillo Wireless > 806-316-5071 > > > > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > > You just gonna call up baicell and get the info? > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > Eh. VPN router. > > On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > > probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their > hosted core, it would be more difficult. > > The other way around works great though. > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > Since LTE is a standard.... I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the > baicells EPC?? > > *gear spinning* > > On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > > Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs > to other vendors. > for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc. > Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have > one. so look at the long term when pricing. > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > > Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing. I asked last week. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340><tel:937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340>> > Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343><tel:937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343>> > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > I've said too much. I haven't said enough. > > Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. > > On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > > > He said "real" good ;) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt > Hoppes<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > To: WISPA General List<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? > > As opposed to bad? :P. > > On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > > > "Good"? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340><tel:937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340>> > Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343><tel:937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343>> > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > True. It's good though. Real good. > > On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > > > We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one. > > On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > Whats the pricing like? > > On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > > https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/ > > On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > > Ours* brain fart. > > We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a > small town center so we'll have a variety of testing. > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Christian Palecek > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: WISPA General List > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? > > We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though. Only getting > one I guess. > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Chris Ruschmann > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: WISPA General List > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? > > > I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today. > > On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > By: Douglas Adams > "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because > he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while all the > dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But > conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more > intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason." > > John Michael Francis II > JMF Solutions, Inc > Wavefly Technologies > Internet - Voip - Cloud > 251-517-5069<tel:251-517-5069><tel:251-517-5069<tel:251-517-5069>> > http://jmfsolutions.net > http://wavefly.com > > On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote! > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340><tel:937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340>> > Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343> > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning > deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use > test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented. > > Best regards, > > John Michael Francis II > JMF Solutions, Inc > Wavefly Technologies > Internet - Voip - Cloud > 251-517-5069<tel:251-517-5069> > http://jmfsolutions.net > http://wavefly.com > >> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak >> yet :P Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very >> soon. >> >>> On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? 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