Possible to NOT NAT customer traffic on BaiCell?
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 15:49, Matthew Carpenter > <mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net> wrote: > > The Biacells eNB can be changed to send all customer traffic to the core, or > you can send customer traffic to it's local Gateway. > We have not tried sending all the customer traffic from a Biacells eNB to our > Telrad core, but it is something I want to test out. > > The Biacells eNB has NAT turned on for customer traffic when using its local > Gateway. > > Currently Telrad does not support peeling off customer traffic and sending to > the its local Gateway.. it all have to go to the Core. > > The Biacells SIM cards will only authenticate with the Biacells Core. We > were not given keys for those SIMs from Biacells. > A Biacells SIM card will boot up with a Telrad 7000 UE and connect to a > Biacells eNB and Biacells Core. > > > > Matt Carpenter > > > > >> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Matt Hoppes >> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >> Local offloading is a standard LTE feature. You do need an a device to do >> it, which in guessing Bai has built into their eNB. >> >> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 17:07, Nathan Anderson <nath...@fsr.com> wrote: >> > >> > So it sounds like you have made Baicells eNB talk to a Breezeway for >> > authentication. Very cool. >> > >> > Re: VPLS, I could be wrong (and I haven't actually tried VPLS/VPWS on >> > Telrad), but I don't believe the eNB has anything whatsoever to do with >> > making that work. As far as it is concerned, it is just passing user >> > traffic. In the Telrad scenario, I *think* the UE constructs a GRE tunnel >> > to the EPC. >> > >> > However, the fact that you say that the Baicells eNB does not send user >> > traffic to the core but only authenticates against the core might throw a >> > monkey wrench into that whole theory. For Telrad VPLS to work, you need a >> > Telrad UE and a Telrad core, and the user traffic clearly needs to go >> > to/from the core for that to work. >> > >> > How does having the eNB send user traffic directly to your gateway even >> > work?? I mean, that makes sense as long as they can get away with it, >> > because I think it would be a nightmare, both from the service provider's >> > perspective as well as from Baicells' perspective, to have to carry all of >> > the user traffic to the cloud and back, but I thought LTE *required* that >> > user traffic be tunneled via GTP to the core. Does the Baicells eNB >> > implement part of the EPC (likely the SGW and PGW bits) itself? If you >> > wanted to, could you elect to shut those off and have it ship user traffic >> > off to an external EPC as well? >> > >> > What do you do for SIM cards with Baicells UEs? Does Baicells provide >> > those as well? Have you tried a Baicells SIM in a Telrad UE and >> > vice-versa? >> > >> > -- Nathan >> > ________________________________________ >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of >> > Matthew Carpenter [mcarpen...@amarillowireless.net] >> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:37 AM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? >> > >> > So far I am have able to mix and match the Biacell, and Telrad eNBs and >> > UEs. >> > >> > Biacell eNB connects to the core with 0 setup. >> > With only one change it will connect and work with the Telrad core. >> > >> > UEs from both Telrad and Biacells work with either eNBs. >> > >> > Things to test: >> > 1. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Telrad eNB >> > 2. VPLS from the Telrad Core to the Biacells UE using a Biacells eNB (I >> > don't believe this will work. There are some updates to the Biacells eNB >> > coming out soon to add VPLS) >> > 3. Does the Biacells UE support VPLS ? >> > 4. Does the Biacells UE allow remote management from the Wireless side? >> > 5. Do all this again with the new 19.5 dB Biscells UE. >> > >> > One cool thing is when the Biacells eNB is using the Telrad core it only >> > send SIM card authorization to the core. All customer data goes out to >> > its gateway and not to the core. >> > >> > Matthew Carpenter >> > Amarillo Wireless >> > 806-316-5071 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM -0500, "Adair Winter" >> > <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote: >> > >> > You just gonna call up baicell and get the info? >> > >> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Matt Hoppes >> > <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> >> > wrote: >> > Eh. VPN router. >> > >> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:57, Adair Winter >> > <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote: >> > >> > probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to >> > their hosted core, it would be more difficult. >> > >> > The other way around works great though. >> > >> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes >> > <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> >> > wrote: >> > Since LTE is a standard.... I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to >> > the baicells EPC?? >> > >> > *gear spinning* >> > >> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter >> > <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote: >> > >> > Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade >> > offs to other vendors. >> > for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc. >> > Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already >> > have one. so look at the long term when pricing. >> > >> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman >> > <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing. I asked last week. >> > >> > Josh Luthman >> > Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343> >> > 1100 Wayne St >> > Suite 1337 >> > Troy, OH 45373 >> > >> > On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" >> > <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> >> > wrote: >> > I've said too much. I haven't said enough. >> > >> > Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. >> > >> > On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller >> > <par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote: >> > >> > >> > He said "real" good ;) >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Matt Hoppes<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >> > To: WISPA General List<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >> > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? >> > >> > As opposed to bad? :P. >> > >> > On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman >> > <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >> > >> > >> > "Good"? >> > >> > Josh Luthman >> > Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343> >> > 1100 Wayne St >> > Suite 1337 >> > Troy, OH 45373 >> > >> > On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" >> > <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> >> > wrote: >> > True. It's good though. Real good. >> > >> > On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann >> > <ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> wrote: >> > >> > >> > We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one. >> > >> > On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com<mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> >> > wrote: >> > Whats the pricing like? >> > >> > On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes >> > <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> >> > wrote: >> > >> > https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/ >> > >> > On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek >> > <christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Ours* brain fart. >> > >> > We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a >> > small town center so we'll have a variety of testing. >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >> > >> > -------- Original message -------- >> > From: Christian Palecek >> > <christ...@cybernet1.com<mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> >> > Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00) >> > To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? >> > >> > We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though. Only getting >> > one I guess. >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >> > >> > -------- Original message -------- >> > From: Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> >> > Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00) >> > To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? >> > >> > >> > I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear >> > today. >> > >> > On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" >> > <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net<mailto:mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>> wrote: >> > By: Douglas Adams >> > "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins >> > because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while >> > all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good >> > time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far >> > more intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason." >> > >> > John Michael Francis II >> > JMF Solutions, Inc >> > Wavefly Technologies >> > Internet - Voip - Cloud >> > 251-517-5069<tel:251-517-5069> >> > http://jmfsolutions.net >> > http://wavefly.com >> > >> > On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> > Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote! >> > >> > >> > Josh Luthman >> > Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343> >> > 1100 Wayne St >> > Suite 1337 >> > Troy, OH 45373 >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis >> > <mfran...@jmfsolutions.net<mailto:mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>> wrote: >> > We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning >> > deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use >> > test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > >> > John Michael Francis II >> > JMF Solutions, Inc >> > Wavefly Technologies >> > Internet - Voip - Cloud >> > 251-517-5069<tel:251-517-5069> >> > http://jmfsolutions.net >> > http://wavefly.com >> > >> >> On 6/17/2016 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> >> I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak >> >> yet :P Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very >> >> soon. >> >> >> >>> On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >>> Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed? Care >> >>> to comment on/off list? >> >>> >> >>> Josh Luthman >> >>> Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340> >> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343> >> >>> 1100 Wayne St >> >>> Suite 1337 >> >>> Troy, OH 45373 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Wireless mailing list >> >>> Wireless@wispa.org<mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> >> >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wireless mailing list >> >> Wireless@wispa.org<mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wireless mailing list >> > Wireless@wispa.org<mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wireless mailing list >> > Wireless@wispa.org<mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> >> > 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