Ben - I'm a bit aghast at your attitude there. YES, I'm really interested in WiTango. Did you not read me first sentence?
But for me, I'm looking at this in an open way. It is important to discuss not only what WiTango has - but what others offer as well as we await the info for the new release. This is called constructive criticism. I'm sorry that my opinion is of WiTango is not the same as yours - but you know what? I really could care less. My desire is to see WiTango's abilities grow and become something I want to use. If I can't express those desires here, then I guess that helps me decide what I'll do - doesn't it? I think that all of my messages were very much on topic of WiTango and have irked you and a few others because they open some wounds - and I don't apologize for that. If the WiTango developers don't realize the perception that WiTango 5 *may* have with some people and don't realize what our expectations are, they can never improve the product, their policies, or their resellers. I keep an open forum for my product. Sometimes I get bashed. Sometime I get people who very openly compare my product with others. I can tell you I do not reply to them as you so poorly did. I take that criticism, think about it, and if it makes sense - apply it. If not, just go on. And let me add one more time - all of my messages were VERY MUCH on topic for WiTango as it pertains to the decision making of choosing a product. Your message is very much off topic and a personal attack. -- Alex Kac, CEO/Developer Innovation in Personal and Business Information Management http://www.pocketinformant.com/ zoomzoom > From: "Ben Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: Intelisoft, Inc. > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:17:57 -0700 > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Pushing the E:nvelope ;-) > > I am all for Free forums for the public, > > But, are you really interested in Witango, or are you just killing time > Jerking us around? > > If you want to discuss WO (what objects) or Confussion, I am sure there > are list servers for that. > > As long as you keep thinking this is just a Service Pack 2 to your 2 > year old knowledge of the past Tango. You will probably never like what > the good people at With Enterprises are doing. > > This is Witango and it is going forward, if it is not at your speed, > move on > > Ben Johansen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alex Kac > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Pushing the E:nvelope ;-) > > I am waiting patiently :) Seriously, I am very hopeful as I'd love to > rekindle my years of Tango knowledge and comfortablness with Tango. I > truly > would rather not have to start from scratch somewhere else (which I did > with > .net). > > I'm also taking the opportunity to download WebObjects through my ADC > account since I now have a few days to spare. > > That'll be very interesting - esp. since WO comes with both Mac OS X > deployment and Windows deployment - easing the transition on servers. So > both WO and CF now have free crossgrades, while With (I asked them > directly) > will charge the upgrade fee for that. This comment is just a sidenote. > > -- > Alex Kac, CEO/Developer > > Innovation in Personal and Business Information Management > http://www.pocketinformant.com/ > > zoomzoom > > >> From: "Ian Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:31:48 -0700 >> To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Pushing the E:nvelope ;-) >> >> To Stephen and all others urgently needing Version 5 info. >> >> Here's what we can share, just now. >> >> Information, including pricing is being distributed to resellers, and > they >> have been given a few days to prepare themselves, their websites and > update >> their support systems with the new data. >> >> When I say a few days, I mean a few days. That's less than a week. >> >> Next week, the public beta will be released, and there will be several >> places to go to download it. You'll be pleased to know that the > Editor is >> being separated from the personal server, to reduce download > requirements. >> The personal server will be a separate item without a cost attached, > but >> with tighter restrictions than were previously on the personal server, > to >> ensure that it is just used for development purposes. >> >> With the release of the public beta, there will be a detailed list of >> enhancements. >> >> Witango and Java will become good friends .. and very well-acquainted > .. but >> not in version 5. >> >> Questions relating to functionality and release date of a Witango > editor >> that incorporates Java capabilities must be deferred to WE. However, > I can >> personally tell you what I know to be a fact: elements of the Java >> functionality were demonstrated at the conference in April, and the > next >> release of the Editor will not take as long as Version 5 took, because > the >> time has been taken to re-architect everything to prepare for the > future. >> >> And all marketing hype aside, I will tell you something else that > everyone >> on this list could figure out for themselves: that if you combine the >> absolutely top-shelf IDE that is the Witango Editor ... with the > ability to >> create Java in object-oriented fashion, the future is indeed bright. >> >> And you can take that to the bank. >> >> Please ... no flames .. for this thread, it's all been said. >> >> For those who anxiously await the launch of Witango Version 5 public > beta .. >> take a deep breath, have a good weekend, and watch your email > carefully >> early next week. >> >> Sincerely, >> Ian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Arnold >> >> <sarcasm> Gee, thanks Ben. Such a tease!</sarcasm> >> >> I would think after the barrage of sentiment that MOST of us are > anxious >> to know when and how much, a few of you insiders wouldn't brag so > much. >> >> Really, some of us are reaching critical mass on making important >> decisions on software and hardware. Christmas is coming and we know > with >> this year's anticipated volume and loads we can't sustain the status > quo >> again this year. We, like some others, will be forced to seek other >> solutions, despite our affinity for the product and what it may or may >> not offer during its next "life". >> >> Stephen >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________ >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >> > > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body
