Definitely not uninterested. Far from it. But I don't believe in comparing WiTango 5 to Tango 2k. I'm interested in comparing WiTango 5 to the others out there.
To me, what keeps bringing me back to Tango over the others is: 1) The visual action editing 2) Search Action - its just nice not to have to deal with all the ifs, etc... When constructing SQL queries as I do even in .NET 3) Multi-platform 4) Easier handling of presentation/error/data access logic I personally prefer actually using a language like C# or even Java instead of the "meta tag" language because I just a more comfortable with it now (being in C++ day in and out), but the Tango Meta tag language is very powerful in a lot of places. Even with the new rewrite of the server, I still think it's a weakness. See, its featureset stays kind of static. It still can't do web services (which I was actually trying to get done as a lib for Tango 2 years ago), etc... The editor also still needs work. Its great at some things (listed above) but it falls flat at others. Its text editing is obsolete. The Mac version is worse. OK, so I know that due to the carbonization effort Phil and company are doing, its amazing the Mac editor even exists :) But I kinda feel they would have been better off just writing the editor in Cocoa in java or ObjC from scratch. They would have gained so much from that. I'm just trying to be realistic about WiTango's (I truly dislike that name - it sounds like "Why Tango?") strengths and weaknesses. You know, when I develop my software, I look for posts from people who are tell me what they don't like. Those people are the ones who usually express the opinions of the larger world out there - which I'm trying to court. I also look for posts about what they do like - so I know what to improve. I know WiTango 5 will bring Tango back to where it needs to be to get to the next level - ala Mac OS 10.0 (except instead of being slower than its predecessor, it'll be faster). I've resigned myself to knowing that this version won't be what *I'm* looking for. So my sights are now set to see what With's goals are for the future - besides the Java support. -- Alex Kac, CEO/Developer Innovation in Personal and Business Information Management. http://www.pocketinformant.com/ zoomzoom > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [Gauthier] > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:44 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Pushing the E:nvelope ;-) > > > I don't think Alex is uninterested about Witango, I think > that Witango didn't have any problem to be compared to other > application server platforms available. > > Even if the some higher-end features (that Alex have > mentionned before) are not internaly embeded to the product, > it's just a matter of developments and there is always ways > to go where you need with Witango. Just think about the time > it save you to develop with it for the majority of the > solutions, even the current product is very competitive, here > is some point : > > -Outstanding databases support > -The visual action editing is STILL a feature that many > others products lacks > -The variable store scope concept is > really powerfull and let you completely manage your variable > life cycle. > -The Metatag language is tightly integrated and > you can use it just anywhere in your files (it's also > extensible thanks to the customtags!) I didn't saw a such > thing anywhere. > -It's designed to be effective from the > complete newbie (easy RDBMS actions, builders, visual action) > as well from the diehard developper (tcf, customtags, > external object integration, handy XML manuipulation, XML > Sourcecode...) > -It's multiplatform and interoperable, that's really an > important point for an application server > > We are all impatient (since the conference) to discover the > accurate featureset of the new version, and I think that the > java deployment ability is really a great point! > > There is also a feature of the server that wasn't elaborated > on the list, this is the WISP here is the only infos I've > found about it (I'm investigating ;) > -http://xml-extra.net/webpage.xmlx?node=55 > -http://www.leavens.net/witangoconf/pages/P4240319.html > (really enigmatic look like a 007 stuff !!!) > > So that's the surely kind of things that can bring higher-end > features for the whole client/server application development activity! > > Please don't take me wrong that's just my developer standpoint :) > > I don't want this thread become a flamewar thread! > > Regards > > Gauthier > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Multiple recipients of list witango-talk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:17 AM > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Pushing the E:nvelope ;-) > > > > I am all for Free forums for the public, > > > > But, are you really interested in Witango, or are you just killing > > time Jerking us around? > > > > If you want to discuss WO (what objects) or Confussion, I am sure > > there are list servers for that. > > > > As long as you keep thinking this is just a Service Pack 2 > to your 2 > > year old knowledge of the past Tango. You will probably never like > > what the good people at With Enterprises are doing. > > > > This is Witango and it is going forward, if it is not at > your speed, > > move on > > > > Ben Johansen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alex Kac > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:59 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Pushing the E:nvelope ;-) > > > > I am waiting patiently :) Seriously, I am very hopeful as > I'd love to > > rekindle my years of Tango knowledge and comfortablness > with Tango. I > > truly would rather not have to start from scratch somewhere else > > (which I did with > > .net). > > > > I'm also taking the opportunity to download WebObjects > through my ADC > > account since I now have a few days to spare. > > > > That'll be very interesting - esp. since WO comes with both > Mac OS X > > deployment and Windows deployment - easing the transition > on servers. > > So both WO and CF now have free crossgrades, while With (I > asked them > > directly) > > will charge the upgrade fee for that. This comment is just > a sidenote. > > > > -- > > Alex Kac, CEO/Developer > > > > Innovation in Personal and Business Information Management > > http://www.pocketinformant.com/ > > > > zoomzoom > > > > > > > From: "Ian Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:31:48 -0700 > > > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Pushing the E:nvelope ;-) > > > > > > To Stephen and all others urgently needing Version 5 info. > > > > > > Here's what we can share, just now. > > > > > > Information, including pricing is being distributed to resellers, > > > and > > they > > > have been given a few days to prepare themselves, their > websites and > > update > > > their support systems with the new data. > > > > > > When I say a few days, I mean a few days. That's less > than a week. > > > > > > Next week, the public beta will be released, and there will be > > > several places to go to download it. You'll be pleased > to know that > > > the > > Editor is > > > being separated from the personal server, to reduce download > > requirements. > > > The personal server will be a separate item without a > cost attached, > > but > > > with tighter restrictions than were previously on the personal > > > server, > > to > > > ensure that it is just used for development purposes. > > > > > > With the release of the public beta, there will be a > detailed list > > > of enhancements. > > > > > > Witango and Java will become good friends .. and very > > > well-acquainted > > .. but > > > not in version 5. > > > > > > Questions relating to functionality and release date of a Witango > > editor > > > that incorporates Java capabilities must be deferred to WE. > > > However, > > I can > > > personally tell you what I know to be a fact: elements > of the Java > > > functionality were demonstrated at the conference in > April, and the > > next > > > release of the Editor will not take as long as Version 5 took, > > > because > > the > > > time has been taken to re-architect everything to prepare for the > > future. > > > > > > And all marketing hype aside, I will tell you something else that > > everyone > > > on this list could figure out for themselves: that if > you combine > > > the absolutely top-shelf IDE that is the Witango Editor > ... with the > > ability to > > > create Java in object-oriented fashion, the future is > indeed bright. > > > > > > And you can take that to the bank. > > > > > > Please ... no flames .. for this thread, it's all been said. > > > > > > For those who anxiously await the launch of Witango > Version 5 public > > beta .. > > > take a deep breath, have a good weekend, and watch your email > > carefully > > > early next week. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Ian > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Arnold > > > > > > <sarcasm> Gee, thanks Ben. Such a tease!</sarcasm> > > > > > > I would think after the barrage of sentiment that MOST of us are > > anxious > > > to know when and how much, a few of you insiders wouldn't brag so > > much. > > > > > > Really, some of us are reaching critical mass on making important > > > decisions on software and hardware. Christmas is coming > and we know > > with > > > this year's anticipated volume and loads we can't sustain > the status > > quo > > > again this year. We, like some others, will be forced to > seek other > > > solutions, despite our affinity for the product and what > it may or > > > may not offer during its next "life". > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > __ > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > __ > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > __ > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ________________ > ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de l'Internet ! > vos emails depuis un navigateur, en POP3, sur Minitel, sur le > WAP... http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/email.emailif > > > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body
