I tend to agree with you Gauthier since I am probably more of your typical WiTango (yes, the name leaves me cold too, Alex) developer. I think that most of us will be satisfied with the java deployment, tcf, customtags, external object integration, handy XML manuipulation, XML Sourcecode etc. that is on offer.
Can I say (Ben, Scott, Alex et al), that to me a discussion like this is healthy since a product such as this can't flourish in isolation, nor with a internal-only view. I am sure that WI are happy for the feedback as it must help them to grow the product over time. It is also enlightening, since without an overview of what is available it is easy to get stuck into one product line to one's own detriment - and to become defensive about a product shows that one's eyes aren't open to progrssion and the future. I think that it is that exact attitude that WiTangoers complain about of developers and customers who are one-eyed about other products (ASP etc.) - so let's not make the mistake ourselves. We can only learn by being open to ideas and opportunities. I certainly have and continue to do so. What this thread has confirmed to me is that WiTango has the goods for me, and hopefully, the future path to provide progressions to web services and other tools that are quickly becoming of importance in our world. And WiTango does stack up well (in some cases extremely well) against the competition in almost all respects. Garth (the lurker??!!) :-) At 01:43 2/08/02 +0200, you wrote: >I don't think Alex is uninterested about Witango, I think that Witango >didn't have any problem to be compared to other application server platforms >available. > >Even if the some higher-end features (that Alex have mentionned before) are >not internaly embeded to the product, it's just a matter of developments and >there is always ways to go where you need with Witango. Just think about the >time it save you to develop with it for the majority of the solutions, even >the current product is very competitive, here is some point : > >-Outstanding databases support >-The visual action editing is STILL a feature that many others products >lacks >-The variable store scope concept is really powerfull and let you completely >manage your variable life cycle. >-The Metatag language is tightly integrated and you can use it just anywhere >in your files (it's also extensible thanks to the customtags!) I didn't saw >a such thing anywhere. >-It's designed to be effective from the complete newbie (easy RDBMS actions, >builders, visual action) as well from the diehard developper (tcf, >customtags, external object integration, handy XML manuipulation, XML >Sourcecode...) >-It's multiplatform and interoperable, that's really an important point for >an application server > >We are all impatient (since the conference) to discover the accurate >featureset of the new version, and I think that the java deployment ability >is really a great point! > >There is also a feature of the server that wasn't elaborated on the list, >this is the WISP here is the only infos I've found about it (I'm >investigating ;) >-http://xml-extra.net/webpage.xmlx?node=55 >-http://www.leavens.net/witangoconf/pages/P4240319.html (really enigmatic >look like a 007 stuff !!!) > >So that's the surely kind of things that can bring higher-end features for >the whole client/server application development activity! > >Please don't take me wrong that's just my developer standpoint :) > >I don't want this thread become a flamewar thread! > >Regards > >Gauthier > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ben Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Multiple recipients of list witango-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:17 AM >Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Pushing the E:nvelope ;-) > > > > I am all for Free forums for the public, > > > > But, are you really interested in Witango, or are you just killing time > > Jerking us around? > > > > If you want to discuss WO (what objects) or Confussion, I am sure there > > are list servers for that. > > > > As long as you keep thinking this is just a Service Pack 2 to your 2 > > year old knowledge of the past Tango. You will probably never like what > > the good people at With Enterprises are doing. > > > > This is Witango and it is going forward, if it is not at your speed, > > move on > > > > Ben Johansen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alex Kac > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:59 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Pushing the E:nvelope ;-) > > > > I am waiting patiently :) Seriously, I am very hopeful as I'd love to > > rekindle my years of Tango knowledge and comfortablness with Tango. I > > truly > > would rather not have to start from scratch somewhere else (which I did > > with > > .net). > > > > I'm also taking the opportunity to download WebObjects through my ADC > > account since I now have a few days to spare. > > > > That'll be very interesting - esp. since WO comes with both Mac OS X > > deployment and Windows deployment - easing the transition on servers. So > > both WO and CF now have free crossgrades, while With (I asked them > > directly) > > will charge the upgrade fee for that. This comment is just a sidenote. > > > > -- > > Alex Kac, CEO/Developer > > > > Innovation in Personal and Business Information Management > > http://www.pocketinformant.com/ > > > > zoomzoom > > > > > > > From: "Ian Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:31:48 -0700 > > > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Pushing the E:nvelope ;-) > > > > > > To Stephen and all others urgently needing Version 5 info. > > > > > > Here's what we can share, just now. > > > > > > Information, including pricing is being distributed to resellers, and > > they > > > have been given a few days to prepare themselves, their websites and > > update > > > their support systems with the new data. > > > > > > When I say a few days, I mean a few days. That's less than a week. > > > > > > Next week, the public beta will be released, and there will be several > > > places to go to download it. You'll be pleased to know that the > > Editor is > > > being separated from the personal server, to reduce download > > requirements. > > > The personal server will be a separate item without a cost attached, > > but > > > with tighter restrictions than were previously on the personal server, > > to > > > ensure that it is just used for development purposes. > > > > > > With the release of the public beta, there will be a detailed list of > > > enhancements. > > > > > > Witango and Java will become good friends .. and very well-acquainted > > .. but > > > not in version 5. > > > > > > Questions relating to functionality and release date of a Witango > > editor > > > that incorporates Java capabilities must be deferred to WE. However, > > I can > > > personally tell you what I know to be a fact: elements of the Java > > > functionality were demonstrated at the conference in April, and the > > next > > > release of the Editor will not take as long as Version 5 took, because > > the > > > time has been taken to re-architect everything to prepare for the > > future. > > > > > > And all marketing hype aside, I will tell you something else that > > everyone > > > on this list could figure out for themselves: that if you combine the > > > absolutely top-shelf IDE that is the Witango Editor ... with the > > ability to > > > create Java in object-oriented fashion, the future is indeed bright. > > > > > > And you can take that to the bank. > > > > > > Please ... no flames .. for this thread, it's all been said. > > > > > > For those who anxiously await the launch of Witango Version 5 public > > beta .. > > > take a deep breath, have a good weekend, and watch your email > > carefully > > > early next week. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Ian > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Arnold > > > > > > <sarcasm> Gee, thanks Ben. Such a tease!</sarcasm> > > > > > > I would think after the barrage of sentiment that MOST of us are > > anxious > > > to know when and how much, a few of you insiders wouldn't brag so > > much. > > > > > > Really, some of us are reaching critical mass on making important > > > decisions on software and hardware. Christmas is coming and we know > > with > > > this year's anticipated volume and loads we can't sustain the status > > quo > > > again this year. We, like some others, will be forced to seek other > > > solutions, despite our affinity for the product and what it may or may > > > not offer during its next "life". > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > >______________________________________________________________________________ >ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de l'Internet ! >vos emails depuis un navigateur, en POP3, sur Minitel, sur le WAP... >http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/email.emailif > > >________________________________________________________________________ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body
