WISP seems to be a huge step forward for the product since as Scott, in his conference round-up, mentioned the idea of WISP being used for web services and such. I assume you saw Scott's conference round-up, Alex? If not get him to send it to you.
Also, it would seem that WISP would enable us to create apps that could communicate directly with the engine, by-passing the web server. My thinking is that in a years time I will be focusing on creating Mozilla-style apps communicating with the web server, and/or proprietary non-web direct-to-server apps using WISP and the server core for specific audiences. Garth At 11:41 1/08/02 -0500, you wrote: >WISP sounds really interesting to me. This is the one area I'm going to >spend some time in with the beta if they have info then. > >Also, I was playing with the new Project Builder for Jaguar - I REALLY >think Tango could learn a thing or two from this.... > >-- >Alex Kac, CEO/Developer > >Innovation in Personal and Business Information Management. >http://www.pocketinformant.com/ > >zoomzoom > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Scott Cadillac > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:27 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Pushing the E:nvelope ;-) > > > > > > Well said Garth, but you're more than a lurker :-) > > > > A great expression comes to mind. > > > > "No pain, no gain." > > > > And don't forget, in addition to Java deployment, they are > > planning on possible .NET deployment too and don't forget about WISP. > > > > Cheers... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Garth Penglase" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Multiple recipients of list witango-talk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:16 AM > > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Pushing the E:nvelope ;-) > > > > > > > I tend to agree with you Gauthier since I am probably more of your > > typical > > > WiTango (yes, the name leaves me cold too, Alex) developer. I think > > > that most of us will be satisfied with the java deployment, tcf, > > > customtags, external object integration, handy XML > > manuipulation, XML > > > Sourcecode etc. that is on offer. > > > > > > Can I say (Ben, Scott, Alex et al), that to me a discussion > > like this > > > is healthy since a product such as this can't flourish in > > isolation, > > > nor > > with > > > a internal-only view. I am sure that WI are happy for the > > feedback as > > > it must help them to grow the product over time. It is also > > > enlightening, since without an overview of what is available it is > > > easy to get stuck > > into > > > one product line to one's own detriment - and to become defensive > > > about a product shows that one's eyes aren't open to progrssion and > > > the future. I think that it is that exact attitude that WiTangoers > > > complain about of developers and customers who are one-eyed about > > > other products (ASP > > etc.) - > > > so let's not make the mistake ourselves. We can only learn by being > > > open > > to > > > ideas and opportunities. > > > > > > I certainly have and continue to do so. What this thread > > has confirmed > > > to me is that WiTango has the goods for me, and hopefully, > > the future > > > path > > to > > > provide progressions to web services and other tools that > > are quickly > > > becoming of importance in our world. And WiTango does stack up well > > > (in some cases extremely well) against the competition in almost all > > respects. > > > > > > Garth > > > (the lurker??!!) > > >:-) > > > > > > > > > At 01:43 2/08/02 +0200, you wrote: > > > >I don't think Alex is uninterested about Witango, I think that > > > >Witango didn't have any problem to be compared to other > > application > > > >server > > platforms > > > >available. > > > > > > > >Even if the some higher-end features (that Alex have mentionned > > > >before) > > are > > > >not internaly embeded to the product, it's just a matter of > > > >developments > > and > > > >there is always ways to go where you need with Witango. Just think > > > >about > > the > > > >time it save you to develop with it for the majority of the > > > >solutions, > > even > > > >the current product is very competitive, here is some point : > > > > > > > >-Outstanding databases support > > > >-The visual action editing is STILL a feature that many others > > > >products lacks -The variable store scope concept is really > > powerfull > > > >and let you > > completely > > > >manage your variable life cycle. > > > >-The Metatag language is tightly integrated and you can use it just > > anywhere > > > >in your files (it's also extensible thanks to the customtags!) I > > > >didn't > > saw > > > >a such thing anywhere. > > > >-It's designed to be effective from the complete newbie (easy RDBMS > > actions, > > > >builders, visual action) as well from the diehard developper (tcf, > > > >customtags, external object integration, handy XML > > manuipulation, XML > > > >Sourcecode...) > > > >-It's multiplatform and interoperable, that's really an important > > > >point > > for > > > >an application server > > > > > > > >We are all impatient (since the conference) to discover > > the accurate > > > >featureset of the new version, and I think that the java deployment > > ability > > > >is really a great point! > > > > > > > >There is also a feature of the server that wasn't elaborated on the > > list, > > > >this is the WISP here is the only infos I've found about it (I'm > > > >investigating ;) -http://xml-extra.net/webpage.xmlx?node=55 > > > >-http://www.leavens.net/witangoconf/pages/P4240319.html (really > > enigmatic > > > >look like a 007 stuff !!!) > > > > > > > >So that's the surely kind of things that can bring higher-end > > > >features > > for > > > >the whole client/server application development activity! > > > > > > > >Please don't take me wrong that's just my developer standpoint :) > > > > > > > >I don't want this thread become a flamewar thread! > > > > > > > >Regards > > > > > > > >Gauthier > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Ben Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: "Multiple recipients of list witango-talk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:17 AM > > > >Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Pushing the E:nvelope ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am all for Free forums for the public, > > > > > > > > > > But, are you really interested in Witango, or are you > > just killing > > time > > > > > Jerking us around? > > > > > > > > > > If you want to discuss WO (what objects) or Confussion, > > I am sure > > there > > > > > are list servers for that. > > > > > > > > > > As long as you keep thinking this is just a Service > > Pack 2 to your > > > > > 2 year old knowledge of the past Tango. You will probably never > > > > > like > > what > > > > > the good people at With Enterprises are doing. > > > > > > > > > > This is Witango and it is going forward, if it is not at your > > > > > speed, move on > > > > > > > > > > Ben Johansen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alex Kac > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:59 PM > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > > > > > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Pushing the E:nvelope ;-) > > > > > > > > > > I am waiting patiently :) Seriously, I am very hopeful > > as I'd love > > > > > to rekindle my years of Tango knowledge and comfortablness with > > > > > Tango. I truly would rather not have to start from scratch > > > > > somewhere else (which I > > did > > > > > with > > > > > .net). > > > > > > > > > > I'm also taking the opportunity to download WebObjects > > through my > > > > > ADC account since I now have a few days to spare. > > > > > > > > > > That'll be very interesting - esp. since WO comes with > > both Mac OS > > > > > X deployment and Windows deployment - easing the transition on > > > > > servers. > > So > > > > > both WO and CF now have free crossgrades, while With (I > > asked them > > > > > directly) > > > > > will charge the upgrade fee for that. This comment is just a > > sidenote. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Alex Kac, CEO/Developer > > > > > > > > > > Innovation in Personal and Business Information Management > > > > > http://www.pocketinformant.com/ > > > > > > > > > > zoomzoom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Ian Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:31:48 -0700 > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Pushing the E:nvelope ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > To Stephen and all others urgently needing Version 5 info. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's what we can share, just now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Information, including pricing is being distributed to > > > > > > resellers, > > and > > > > > they > > > > > > have been given a few days to prepare themselves, > > their websites > > and > > > > > update > > > > > > their support systems with the new data. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I say a few days, I mean a few days. That's less than a > > > > > > week. > > > > > > > > > > > > Next week, the public beta will be released, and there will be > > several > > > > > > places to go to download it. You'll be pleased to > > know that the > > > > > Editor is > > > > > > being separated from the personal server, to reduce download > > > > > requirements. > > > > > > The personal server will be a separate item without a cost > > attached, > > > > > but > > > > > > with tighter restrictions than were previously on the personal > > server, > > > > > to > > > > > > ensure that it is just used for development purposes. > > > > > > > > > > > > With the release of the public beta, there will be a detailed > > > > > > list > > of > > > > > > enhancements. > > > > > > > > > > > > Witango and Java will become good friends .. and very > > well-acquainted > > > > > .. but > > > > > > not in version 5. > > > > > > > > > > > > Questions relating to functionality and release date of a > > > > > > Witango > > > > > editor > > > > > > that incorporates Java capabilities must be deferred to WE. > > However, > > > > > I can > > > > > > personally tell you what I know to be a fact: > > elements of the > > > > > > Java functionality were demonstrated at the > > conference in April, > > > > > > and the > > > > > next > > > > > > release of the Editor will not take as long as Version 5 took, > > because > > > > > the > > > > > > time has been taken to re-architect everything to prepare for > > > > > > the > > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > And all marketing hype aside, I will tell you something else > > > > > > that > > > > > everyone > > > > > > on this list could figure out for themselves: that if you > > > > > > combine > > the > > > > > > absolutely top-shelf IDE that is the Witango Editor > > ... with the > > > > > ability to > > > > > > create Java in object-oriented fashion, the future is indeed > > bright. > > > > > > > > > > > > And you can take that to the bank. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please ... no flames .. for this thread, it's all been said. > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who anxiously await the launch of Witango Version 5 > > public > > > > > beta .. > > > > > > take a deep breath, have a good weekend, and watch your email > > > > > carefully > > > > > > early next week. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Stephen Arnold > > > > > > > > > > > > <sarcasm> Gee, thanks Ben. Such a tease!</sarcasm> > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think after the barrage of sentiment that > > MOST of us are > > > > > anxious > > > > > > to know when and how much, a few of you insiders > > wouldn't brag > > > > > > so > > > > > much. > > > > > > > > > > > > Really, some of us are reaching critical mass on making > > > > > > important decisions on software and hardware. Christmas is > > > > > > coming and we know > > > > > with > > > > > > this year's anticipated volume and loads we can't sustain the > > status > > > > > quo > > > > > > again this year. We, like some others, will be forced to seek > > > > > > other solutions, despite our affinity for the product > > and what > > > > > > it may or > > may > > > > > > not offer during its next "life". > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > __________ > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the > > message body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > __________ > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the > > message body > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > __________ > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the > > message body > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________ > > __________ > > >___ > > ____ > > > >ifrance.com, l'email gratuit le plus complet de l'Internet ! vos > > > >emails depuis un navigateur, en POP3, sur Minitel, sur le WAP... > > > >http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/email.emailif > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ > > > >___ > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > __ > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > __________ > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > > >________________________________________________________________________ >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body
