Sometimes, I can't think OR type.
A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. That =20
is what I wanted to type. Sigh...
On Oct 4, 2007, at 6:51 PM, David Mark Weiss wrote:
I am, as most know, a english major, sales and marketing guy, who
got in on Tango as a Butler user and have used it ever since. Our
use was in the company my brother and I own. I did some work for a
school district for a time, but mostly kept my use of the product
to our internal needs. Many of you work on and solve problems using
Witango that I just don't run into because our needs are so basic
and simple. I admire so many of you, as I read daily the posts. I
learn so much.
So I look at this whole problem of "passive aggressive behavior"
from a marketing angle. With Enterprises at this point in time
(Phil, et al if there is an et al) is a company that doesn't want
to grow very much. Why do I think that?
1) Their server price is well thought out IF you want to discourage
massive growth for one.
2) Their Dev Tool may be the best, but again, since it is only a
Witango product, it isn't fueling growth and while they could make
it a tool for use with other language and make a nice business
selling a dev tool, that would mean more growth and they don't want
that much growth.
3) I have always felt that there was a conflict between With Ent
and it's personal use of the product and the installed base. The
silence seems not to be because they can't talk, but that they are
talking to others, owners, who have greater influence. That is just
a feeling.
Why would a company not want growth?
Because with growth comes greater responsibility, more
responsibility than Phil wants to have.
Many say that the perfect company is one that has no employees. But
if you grow, you need those.
Some say, the perfect company has diminutive service exposure as
well. They way to keep that exposure small is to price and service
so that only the most desperate or the beginners who are not likely
to require a lot, use the product.
The lack of returned emails, probably also a product of priorities.
With Ent. using the product for their own needs first, and the left
over time goes to whatever the installed base may be screaming
about the loudest and longest.
The point is, I have felt for a long time, that their "practices"
are not meant to be taken personally. And I don't think they are
the result of an idiot at the helm.
They are the result of a business decision that is rational, self-
serving, and following a set of parameters that makes total sense
for the goals and dreams they want to achieve.
We might find it hard to understand the lack of "evangelism" for
something that could be so good. But, putting ourselves in his
shoes, what they are as a company is just right for them. They are
at peace, and don't lose one nights sleep over our rantings on this
list.
The question for me is, can I use this tool to meet my needs. Right
now, yes. It runs and runs and runs. Again, we don't have high
volume and we don't do really complex stuff. the stuff I write
works for me. And has since the beta version the Butler guys sent
me. Day in and day out. So the shoe fits for me right now. Besides
"A man convinced his will is of the same opinion still" as they say.
The negative energy on the list isn't going to influence a business
plan or philosophy that works for them. If you fit into their view
of the world, then use the product and enjoy. If it doesn't, do
like my friends Robert Garcia, and Scott Cadillac. Move on quietly,
or in Robert's case, not so quietly. If it weren't for you guys, I
couldn't have ever made a business case for using the software in a
business situation. That is also part of Phil's calculations isn't
it? What you have to sell, service wise Gene, isn't Witango. It is
this list. I hope it is enough. It is for me.
I am on several lists, and this is the most useful, enjoyable one
of them all. I thank you all for that. You are all great guys and
gals. Phil is going to do what he is going to do. Best of luck to
him and his family. I hope his business plan works for him.
With sincerity... my .02ยข,
Mark Weiss
On Oct 4, 2007, at 9:08 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote:
Gee Gene, are you telling me to shut-up?
Now that's a waste of text.
I'm only questioning your most recent post Gene. The fact they
have a long standing reputation and are considered a very
competent professional in your field doesn't excuse you from being
called out when you do something rude. Being a professional is not
a point system.
If it was your management that gave you the go ahead to follow the
ill-conceived advice of others from this List to "do whatever it
takes to piss Phil off enough to get his attention" - then I
profoundly apologize to you, your family, your ancestors and your
descendants.
You now have my sympathy, that you have to work for such people.
As for the "opportunity" you are referring to.
"...DRS is a $1.5B company. The largest division of DRS is a heavy
user of Witango. Imagine if this company was convinced that
Witango was a valid tool?..."
Are you suggesting that your company was on the brink of sinking
some of the billions they have into Witango?
What kind of false promise is that? And if it were true, where
were their dollars 2 or 3 or 6 years ago?
Bringing it up now at this point is an insult to everyone on this
list, including Phil - in my opinion.
And frankly Gene, I considered my posts very constructive :-)
I hope things improve for you.
Scott Cadillac
~ 902-624-1266
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