"I hope you're not suggesting going back to nested tables are you?"
Not on your life. Tableless, free-flowing, css driven layout is really the ticket, to be sure. I much prefer the ease with which a page can be constructed and styled later. Add to this that once a working template is created, one never has to consider presentation again. Adding new content to a site is sooooo much easier when all one needs to do is insert it into a 'proven' construct. Not to mention, restyling a site doesn't involve 're-tooling' it. This could never be done using tables. Bert's thumbnail layout is really quite straight forward. Wish I'd o' thought of using inline paragraphs as containers when I was having trouble with a thumbnail page, myself. The problem of attaching caption to image, getting it to center with the thumbnail is completely overcome using that simple technique. Beats <.td><.img><.br /><.a>caption<./a><./td> (ignore dots) all to heck when it comes to elasticity and fluidity. Nice one, Bert. On the other hand, if a page is not elastic (shudder) then a table works just fine, at least this one does, anyway. It is still very linear. Now this brings up the question: Is there a 'standard' way for linearizing tables? Does one move across, then down row by row, or down then across column by column? Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "7 sinz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions yes use tables, but use them wiely, use them as they were intended for ( tabular data ) I hope you're not suggesting going back to nested tables are you? For me CSS holds to many advantages; and i feel it is just the future ( for me ne ways )to effectivley render beautiful sematic webpages. -peace >From: "RC Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions >Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:26:17 -0600 > >They haven't deprecated the table tag, yet, have they? Maybe I'm just a >beginner, but I can easily >follow the difficulty folks are having with 'pure css.' It was fun for me >until I saw that a >hackless site was a near impossibility, even if it's just the 3-pixel jog >hack (which doesn't work >for lists). > >think the jury is going to be out for a long time on this one. There really >is no 'hack free' way >to deal with css and cross browser support. Sure there have been plenty of >'elegant' uses of >tableless markup, but when it takes a simple process and turns it into a >morass of problems and >surprises, it really does cross the line. > >Until the 'table police' show up and put on the cuffs, the best thing is do >what is expedient, and >what is effective and dependable. Whether for layout or tabular data, the >use of tables, and their >predictable results should not be discounted or frowned upon--especially if >the table makes sense >when linearized. > >What you are trying to do 'fits the bill' for a legitimate table. Until CSS >reaches the point where >proper centering, width and height is possible across all browsers and all >platforms without hacks >and kludges, hybrid designs should be expected, and not discouraged. As >long as tables are still a >part of html, I say use them. > >Roy > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rick Faaberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:30 PM >Subject: Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions > > >On 6/4/04 9:10 PM "Nick Gleitzman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: > > > A parting thought: does a series of thumbnail/caption pairs actually >qualify > > as tabular data - thus leaving me feeling better about giving up and >using a > > table to lay the bloody thing out anyway? > >That was my first thought when I began to read about your angst. > >It's tabular data - deal with that way. Get it over with. > >I'm no authority. > >Rick Faaberg > >***************************************************** >The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ >See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >for some hints on posting to the list & getting help >***************************************************** > > > >***************************************************** >The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ >See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >for some hints on posting to the list & getting help >***************************************************** > _________________________________________________________________ Open an Online Savings Account today & collect a bonus $30*! http://clk.atdmt.com/1DG/go/hsb005000991dg/direct/01/ ***************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ***************************************************** ***************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *****************************************************
