I would recommend leaving them out, from my experience with blind users, the placeholders cause more trouble than they are worth. quite often users are not aware of them and as a consequence they will fill in an input without first clearing the place holder, which may well result in a form validation error. if you do use them it may be wise to include a javascript that clears the default value when the input accepts focus
<input type="text" onfocus="if(this.value=='poot'){this.value=''}" value="poot"/> PS. bobby is a piece of dumb software, don't rely upon it to tell you if your site is: a. accessible b. conforms to the WCAG guidelines. with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information & Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong Victoria 3144 Phone: (613) 9864 9281 Fax: (613) 9864 9210 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] National Information Library Service A subsidiary of RBS.RVIB.VAF Ltd. "Andreas Boehmer" <andreas_boehmer@ To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> gmx.net> cc: Sent by: Subject: [WSG] default place-holders for forms [EMAIL PROTECTED] group.org 04/10/2004 02:06 PM Please respond to wsg Hi guys, I have got a website (www.jet.org.au) that passes Bobby almost with AAA, with the exception of the default place holders. The reason I do not want to put them into the site is because every page has got a login form at the top. With the default place-holders, the login form would look something like this: Username: Enter username Password: ************ The password place-holder looks pretty useless and confusing to me. Most users will plain wonder what that is supposed to do, it's not really helpful at all. So I'd love to hear your opinions on this one? Shall I enter them just to pass the accessibility tests, or leave them out for (in my opinion) better usability? Being so close to AAA and not reaching it is frustrating. Thanks! Andreas. ****************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ****************************************************** ****************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ******************************************************