Ian Anderson wrote:

I disagree with this statement. In my opinion, there are several very good use cases.

The primary one is help windows, where instructions can be compared with the items in the main window. A variant of this is T&Cs in forms, where there are serious consequences for the user if they move off the page while in the middle of completing a form - they may lose some or all data.

I think generalisations like "users hate popup windows" are perhaps a little unhelpful. I am sure a lot of people dislike popup adverts, but to dismiss all use of popups on this basis is clearly to throw the baby out with the bath water.

I agree absolutely. My reasoning (based upon lots of user feedback to me) is as follows:

Partway through the eighties, Microsoft launched Windows in competition with the Apple MAC, which had become renowned for it's graphical User Interface (or GUI). This was hailed as a major step forward, with users able to do real multi-tasking at last.

Since then, the systems have grown and improved and are the norm - the thought of going back to DOS is pretty repellent for nearly everyone, and esp for folk doing graphics (Photoshop for DOS? Illustrator for DOS? - the mind boggles!

So, we all work in Windows, of one sort or another.

The whole basis of our way of working centers around windows: if you're in an application and need help, you hit the help link/button and it opens in a new window. This is good - instead of removing what you are working on, the help is displayed separately, maintaining the original content intact. You want to send a mail? No problem. just click your mail icon and another window opens. And so it goes on. It's /very/ convenient indeed, and has improved productivity enormously, esp compared to the old days of 'one program, one at a time' of DOS. Even in this standards environment, you'll find that the web developer toolbar for firefox opens its results in a new window (tab, whatever). View source? Certainly Sir : here it is - oh yes, it's in a new window! Even this mail you are reading is probably in a new window (unless you use a preview pane and risk opening a virus, of course)! And the reasoning? It's VERY convenient!

So, having been accustomed to this way of working for many years, I try to get some of this flexibility and uncluttered approach into my web pages. If I have a gallery of images, a click on a thumbnail will perhaps open a larger display of the image - in a new window. If there are some notes to be referenced, they open in a new window. If a link is waiting for the content to be completed, an alert box "available shortly" pops up, instead of you going to a useless (or non-existent) page and having to come back unfulfilled. Marvellous! Instead of waiting to go 'back' or 'forwards' all the time, the web experience becomes as convenient, handy, and easy to navigate as the rest of the computing experience. Great!

. . . or so I thought!

It seems that what I'm doing is wrong - popups are evil, opening new windows is the work of the devil, and lots of similar horror accusations abound. Apparently, it's an accessibility sin to open new windows - it's also an affront to a user's choice if I dictate that a new window is opened, esp if I don't warn the user. OK, everyone just hates those annoying advertisement popups which appear, unsolicited, when viewing certain web sites. But that isn't the same thing as opening a help or information link in a new window, now is it? OK, in practice I do try to be as accessible as possible. If you look at my site link below, you'll see that in the 'portfolio' section (where I want open new windows) it clearly says so on the links. So I do try to be 'good'.

However, I do remain confused: Whilst I really do have every sympathy with someone who has an accessibility problem, I cannot reconcile how it can be OK (indeed desirable) to use a fully fledged windows system (MAC or PC) for 'computing', but as soon as you boot up your browser, all the 'requirements' change.
Duh??

Bob McClelland
Cornwall (U.K.)
www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk


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