just to be clear - we have "page-range-delimiter" as an attribute of
cs:style. This defaults to en-dash, but due to multiple requests from users
mainly in Southern Europe, which had style guides that very explicitly
required a hyphen or a non-breaking hyphen we made this customizable.
Sylvester asked about this, because the specifications currently say _not_
to do this unless page-range-format is set. They do so in two places:
Unambiguously here:
> The "locator" variable is always rendered with an en-dash replacing any
hyphens.
> For the "page" variable, this replacement is only performed if the
> page-range-format attribute is set on cs:style
and somewhat more ambiguously here:
> If the attribute [page-range-format] is not set, page ranges are
> rendered without reformatting.
That was the original question, and I think everyone agrees we should
replace by the page-range-delimiter more generally.
The only remaining question is how broadly to do that: @Rintze - any reason
why we would _not_ want to replace em-dash etc.?
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Charles Parnot <charles.par...@gmail.com>wrote:
> I think most people don’t care about en-dash, and won’t see the
> difference, so replacing any version of an en-dash with it makes sense, so
> they actually do the right thing without ever knowing it was a problem in
> the first place. The one who do care will want an en-dash and will be
> delighted to see you do the right thing. The ones who are really crazy will
> have very weird ideas about page ranges and dashes, and they should be
> ignored.
>
> This is what we do in Papers: replace any occurence of any of these types
> of dashes with en-dash:
> /* hyphen
> */ @"\u2010"
> /* nbr hyphen */ @"\u2011"
> /* fig dash */ @"\u2012"
> /* en-dash */ @"\u2013"
> /* em-dash */ @"\u2014”
>
> I like the idea of doing the same with multiple dashes, to get it down to
> just one en-dash. I had not realized this could be used, but I think it
> makes sense.
>
> Charles
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:39 PM, Bruce D'Arcus <bdar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So the controversial question is whether that list includes em-dashes
> (and perhaps by extension triple dashes)?
> >
> > And therefore a modest change would add just add double-dashes?
> >
> > I'd suggest the modest one as general approach if unsure; always easier
> to add things like this than remove them.
> >
> > OTOH, I can't imagine why anyone would use an em-dash in a page range
> except to indicate the delimiter.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Sebastian Karcher <
> karc...@u.northwestern.edu> wrote:
> > This is about which symbols the page-range-delimiter replaces and when.
> It already defaults to en-dash, that part isn't controversial.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Bruce D'Arcus <bdar...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > And in the TeX world, triple-dashes get replaced by em-dashes.
> >
> > I haven't followed this discussion, but looking back on it, I'm a little
> confused by what you seem to be proposing.
> >
> > Generally accepted "typographically correct" page range delimiter is an
> en-dash. If you want a rule, I'd say replace a dash or double-dash with an
> en-dash?
> >
> > Sorry if I'm missing something; been a long day.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Sebastian Karcher <
> karc...@u.northwestern.edu> wrote:
> > I don't know about em-dashes. Repeated hyphens are common in bibtex, so
> they may make it into metadata.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Rintze Zelle <rintze.ze...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Sebastian, Sylvester, does either of you (or anybody else) ever
> > encounter item metadata that uses anything other than hyphens or
> > en-dashes in page ranges? Do we really have to substitute repeated
> > hyphens and em-dashes as well?
> >
> > Rintze
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Sylvester Keil <sylves...@keil.or.at>
> wrote:
> > > Sounds good to me; I guess it would be sufficient to add one more
> > > sentence after the one I quoted. To make it easier for implementors we
> > > could also enumerate exactly which characters should be replaced (my
> > > take would be: -, en-dash, em-dash, making sure to catch things like
> > > '--', too).
> >
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