As I said, google it yourself, there is certainly the problem I mentioned in
Australia, I dont have time to look it up for you. The second link was to an
Australian article did you read that?
My point was in the context of a discussion i suggest you read the post I was
repying to to understnad what I was saying.
Ipaq will be around for many many years, I simply dont agree that there is not
a long term future for them.
I am betting they will outlast a lot of the cheap android stuf by a long shot.
Dave L
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:05:17 +0930
> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Xcsoar-user Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5
> From: yellowplant...@gmail.com
> To: davidlaw...@hotmail.com
> CC: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>
> Whether it is legal or not to connect to the phone network doesn't
> affect the usage of XCSoar in it's current state. XCSoar will run
> quite happily in 'flight mode' for which support is baked into
> Android.
> Features like live METAR data downloading may well require phone/data
> access in the air, but usage of these features is not mandatory :)
>
> I don't see why the FCC would have jurisdiction over us here in
> Australia or those in Europe. That article you linked seems to be
> about the legalisation of jammers for the purpose of preventing the
> otherwise legal use of cell phones.
> Interesting to see Telstra's take on it:
> "Mobile services on planes can work perfectly well by connecting to
> existing land-based GSM towers."
> "...in Australian airspace below 6,000 metres, where there will be
> plenty of conventional terrestrial service available."
>
> With regards to giving information to Google, it is quite possible to
> run XCSoar without a Google account. Download the .apk directly from
> the XCSoar website
> (http://download.xcsoar.org/releases/6.1.5/ANDROID/) instead of
> installing from the Google Market, and no Google account is needed.
> Many of the cheap Android tablets/phones haven't been given the Google
> 'blessing' and Google won't accept information or permit Market
> downloads from them anyway.
>
> While iPAQ's may continue to be okay for the meantime, there is no
> future for the platform...
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> -Matthew
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:22 AM, David Lawley <davidlaw...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > The U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) currently prohibits the use
> > of mobile telephones aboard any aircraft in flight. The reason given is that
> > mobile phone systems depend on channel reuse and operating a phone at
> > altitude may violate the fundamental assumptions that allow channel reuse to
> > work.
> >
> >
> > http://cspcentral.com.au/2009/01/in-flight-mobile-calls-a-step-closer-but-telstra-cries-foul/
> >
> > The results of a quick Google search, for more try one yourself.
> >
> > Dave L
> > ________________________________
> > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:14:40 +0800
> > From: james.r...@aecom.com
> > To: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Xcsoar-user Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5
> >
> > You don’t happen to have any references do you?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: David Lawley [mailto:davidlaw...@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2011 8:06 AM
> > To: Ross, James; xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: RE: [Xcsoar-user] Xcsoar-user Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5
> >
> >
> >
> > Reg is correct, the illegality is uinder aust telecommunications laws.
> >
> > Nothing to do with CASA
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:43:55 +0800
> > From: james.r...@aecom.com
> > To: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Xcsoar-user Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Searching through some CASA documentation (Civil Aviation Safety Authority,
> > Australian Government) to try and ascertain the legality of using a mobile
> > phone for the purposes of navigation and came across a document dated
> > September 2001 which basically states that the pilot in command can make a
> > determination if a PED (Personal Electronic Device) will interfere with
> > onboard nav systems (compass??).
> >
> > http://www.casa.gov.au/newrules/parts/091/download/ac091-050.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Quote:
> >
> > 5.1 Regulations. CASR 91.055 requires the operator and the pilot in command
> > to
> >
> > prohibit or limit the operation of a PED on board an aircraft if there is
> > reason to believe the
> >
> > PED may adversely affect the safety of the aircraft. CASR’s 91.050, 91.055
> > and 91.1010
> >
> > provides the pilot in command with the necessary authority to control the
> > use of potentially
> >
> > hazardous PEDs on board his/her aircraft, and obliges persons on board to
> > comply with
> >
> > legitimate safety instructions.
> >
> > 5.2 Operator/pilot determinations. The operator and/or the pilot in command
> > can
> >
> > make a determination as to the effect a particular PED has on navigation,
> > communication
> >
> > and flight management systems of the aircraft in which it may to be used or
> > operated. If it
> >
> > is safe and practicable to do so, pilots may be able to verify the source of
> > PED interference
> >
> > by observing if an interference event can be repeated by switching the PED
> > on and off, or
> >
> > by moving the PED to a different location in the aircraft. In doing so a
> > pilot would have to
> >
> > consider whether a PED would interfere under changed circumstances, eg. PED
> >
> > interference might only be experienced if a service signal was low.”
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .-. -.. -
> >
> > From: David Lawley [mailto:davidlaw...@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2011 10:50 AM
> > To: fol...@kabelsalat.ch; xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Xcsoar-user Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5
> >
> >
> >
> > IPAq's most certainly are cheap, I have at least 10 that are available for
> > $50 aust, and there are plenty on ebay for even less than that. I have not
> > encountered ANY of the poblems you mention very often, and have trained many
> > ordinary pilots to use them. I have yet to have any failiures inflight.
> >
> > Any equipment that is not well maintatined will present the issues you
> > describe, and the same problems could easily occour with these new devices.
> >
> > In Australia it is illegal to use mobile devices in the air, so there is no
> > advantage for us in that feature.
> >
> > Personally i will not buy any devie or use a service that gives my info to
> > Google, thanks. They already have far too much info on people now, but none
> > about ME.
> >
> > As to O/S I smell open source fanatic in the air on that subject.
> >
> > Dave L
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:55:58 +0200
> >> From: fol...@kabelsalat.ch
> >> To: xcsoar-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> >> Subject: Re: [Xcsoar-user] Xcsoar-user Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:01:56PM +0000, David Lawley wrote:
> >> > I could not agree more, I have yet to see any reason to replace my
> >> > Ipaq'a for any of the current offerings.
> >> > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 12:33:56AM +0200, Tobias Bieniek wrote:
> >> > > > I have a Streak now since a few days ago and yesterday I was in the
> >> > > > bright sunlight with it for the first time. I was very impressed.
> >> > > > Never
> >> > > > seen any device/display like it, not even the old iPAQs... Even
> >> > > > though
> >> > > > it's discontinued now it's still available on ebay and other sites.
> >> > >
> >> > > I went flying with my HTC Desire Z in full sunlight. It works quite
> >> > > well,
> >> > > while its worse than the streak and i wouldn't give it a general
> >> > > recomendation, its useable and better than all the ipaqs. (The ipaq
> >> > > Era
> >> > > is really over now.)
> >> > >
> >> > > Samsung Galaxy SII btw. is also very readable in direct sunlight.
> >> > >
> >> > > - Folken
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > And yet I find my HTC Desire totally unusable in any kind of sunlight,
> >> > even for making calls let alone using in the glider !
> >>
> >> The HTC Desire Z has been released in 2010 September and is a different
> >> device compared to the HTC Desire. (Release
> >> date February 2010)
> >>
> >> > I use an HP 3970 still running ppc2000 and it works faultlessly with
> >> > xcsoar 6.1.2, the ipaq era is far from over.... there must be hundreds
> >> > still
> >> > out there working in gliders, running older versions of xcsoar, winpilot
> >> > and
> >> > seeyou.
> >>
> >> > We should be targetting these users and converting them to xcsoar 6
> >> > rather then telling people they need 'new' hardware.. Glider pilots are
> >> > afterall notoriously 'carefull' with their money ;)
> >>
> >> See and this is a no-brainer with the android version. It just updates
> >> itself, if so desired.
> >>
> >> > IPAQs are.. cheap, reliable, low power, have good cradles, all in all an
> >> > excellent solution.
> >>
> >> Cheap:
> >> IPAQs go for more than 120 Euros on segelflug.de->kleinanzeigen. For that
> >> you can get several cheapo android devices. And you probably need a phone
> >> anyway. A dell streak 5 costs currently 230 USD on Ebay.
> >>
> >> Reliable:
> >> I see this in my club: constant issues with stuff blocking com ports,
> >> batteries that are dead, screen calibration that does not work, constant
> >> reconfiguration/reinstallation once the power has gone, baud rate
> >> issues, different versions work on different devices.
> >>
> >> And nevermind trying to sync one of these IPaqs with a windows 7.
> >>
> >> Sure these things can be managed. But that requires knowledge/discipline
> >> which seems
> >> not to be given with the average glider pilot, and is also uncessary as
> >> there are technological solutions for such issues.
> >>
> >> Power:
> >> Since any android phone can be charged from USB, its minimum charging
> >> current is 5V/500mA. Ipaqs use the same.
> >>
> >> Technology:
> >> Just having some sort of internet connection, makes it way easier to get
> >> tasks,airspace,metar,maps for your device. Also uploading to olc is
> >> simple, no swapping sd cards.
> >>
> >> Future additons could include an online pilot logbook, in which the
> >> entries include the gps track, pictures and video.
> >>
> >> With the IOIO-Board you can hook up to 4 serial devices. E.g.
> >> Electric Vario, Flarm and the VHF Radio.
> >>
> >> In additon there are ports and
> >> pins which could be connected to gear, flap and ballast switches.
> >>
> >> Additional buttons and even gauges could easely be controlled. (E.g.
> >> external Vario indicator)
> >>
> >> It also supports the one-wire-protocol, with which additional sensors
> >> such as temperature and humidity could be hooked up to it.
> >>
> >> One could use the TAS and the g sensors built into the phone to create a
> >> stall warner.
> >>
> >> The integrated compass could assist in wind calculation. (remember the
> >> 600 EUR compass addons for the LX-Series of Flightcomputers?)
> >>
> >> The IPaqs where good in their day. Overengineered and broadley
> >> available. But availabilty has been scarce as of this year. Its
> >> hardware resources are limited. Its operatingsystem should have died a
> >> thousand deaths years ago.
> >>
> >> Besides, with android, the project gets a lot more exposure. This means
> >> more users, more developers. More Bugfixes, more features, better tested
> >> and therefore more reliable software. Max recently reported that there
> >> where more than 5000 XCSoar installations on Android.
> >>
> >> So with all this in mind, i would not go for an ipaq.
> >>
> >> - Folken
> >>
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