Am 24.11.2011 um 00:00 schrieb Tobias Bieniek <tobias.bien...@gmx.de>:

> The problem with AutoPolar is that you don't have enough measurements
> about the environment.

That may be an issue if you want a rather immediate analysis. In the long term, 
comparing prediction and logged data might be enough to narrow in on a 
corrected polar of a known glider/pilot combination. 
If the solver output was saved with the logged flight data, even a web based 
tool could do the statisics. Think of the Flarm range check tool. Upload your 
polar and a collection of recent flight logs and as a result, download a 
degradation file. It wouldn't need to be 100% accurate, it would only need to 
compensate for say a basic trend or noise level. 

> Once those varios like John is building or the
> Butterfly vario become available this will work better since they have
> live 3D wind calculation 20 times a second and as such the effect of
> the environment on the plane can be filtered out in a more useful way.
> But most of us don't have such systems (yet) and so this will produce
> results which are likely to be incorrect.

Well, I'm on the edge of my seat to see one of these in flight. Very intersting 
development going on there. 

> What I just remembered is a feature called "Pirker Vario" which we
> have implemented to some degree under a different name that I can't
> remember right now. It is basically the derivative of your task
> arrival altitude or a task vario. It will show you the improvement of
> your situation as a value expressed in m/s or whatever you have set as
> lift unit... This tool might also be useful to determine if the
> current thermal is actually improving your situation or not. I think
> there was a (german) PDF floating around the internet explaining the
> theory behind this. 

I guessed someone might have proposed this before, but couldn't find any info 
on the net. If you have implemented something like it, where does it show up? I 
usually watch estimated arrival height next WP while circling in weak lift to 
see if working the thermal pays off, or if applicable, the glide bar. It does 
something similar, though kinda in a low resolution with quite some time lag. 
It does not tell me what averager reading would give me a good reason to stay 
in that thermal or rather leave it. I could imagine this might be helpful and 
speed things up. But then, I am only some guy who flies for fun. 

And, please nobody get the idea I want to criticise. I respect the work done 
here, and only want to throw in some ideas. 

Best,
Martin
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