The Ritual Cleansing of all the rogue elements in the Movement is honestly long overdue,this is not as per the tradition of UMBUTHO to expel anyone,but normally these political rumpents will always leave the organisation once they discover that their motives are unmasked and their political masters can no longer hide themselves.I am also glad that some are even hiding themselves in this forum,hence they begin to feel the pressure.The word of advice to them,let them leave us alone before we discover them,we don`t have unlimited patience,follow your leader Terror to the political oblivion.We have work to do as the Revolutionaries.
We cannot stoop so low as to respond to all these utter rubbush they always insinuate against the ANC. Gordon Ngubo ka-Mthembu ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Masoga To: [email protected] Cc: corlie bosman Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:55 AM Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Why I will not vote 4 the ANC under J.Z Comrade Mosala Let me also take this opportunity to highlight that fact you have mentioned; that you have been a member of the ANC for 18 years now...then you also say that the ANC is only visible during the elections and also that it is laying to the people through door to door campaigns. This tells me that you have an experience in ANC as a person who was a member 18 years ago till today, you have witnessed or participated in the ANC during the past 3 national general & local government elections and you were happily party to the ANC that you say has been lying to the people and als only appearing during the elections period. I am shocked to hear a member of ANC confessing to have been part of liars under the guise of the ANC to the voters and also appearing only when the ANC had to be voted for door to door activities. If you were not party to these activities you were a consenting witness as a bona fide member of ANC for the past 18 years up until you have written this letter. I am worried about the ANC losing membership, because the ANC is a mass based movement, people like you have always been accommodated in the ANC. They would be given clarity and correction on many matters up until they become ripened democrats, some of them starting to even adopt class bias, that is if they had not had a class interest before they had joined the ANC. With you it seems the past 18 years you have spent in the ANC on you there was an antithesis of cadreship development. But i also understand that because the ANC had faced many challenges since the unbanning and some among them had been recruiting people who had very different expectations of the ANC. Just as a thought provoking question to the comrades in the forum, how many people of the Mosala character do we have in the ANC? And then if they are there, how are we going to solve this problem, considering that we are a democratic mass liberation movement!!! Communist regards Masoga On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Godfrey Segoahla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sgidi Mosala, Firstly I will like you to tell the whole forum which branch are belong to, like you said you been a member of ANC for the past 18 years yet not knowing that ANC is broad church that include massive uneducated and very poor of the poorest. That is unapologetic. The level of education in politics does not characterize a leadership. It very surprise that you said you achieve whatever you had by your hardworking, who determine your level of hardwork, yourself. How did you measure the quality of that education you are busy with. You see Mosala is not yourself is the people those who design what did you call education who made you to think as you do. I am not surprise you cannot beat that poison you got, you are very weak to deal with reality in this struggle. You see Mosala, every one even those who are not members of ANC the say that they join ANC 18 years ago. For you driving porsh cars it seems to be important than the people you grown up or than you're your neighbors livelihood. Your concern is very much invalid and I don`t think that it need further discussion, for you not voting I don`t think is problem, because may be even before you did not vote so now you want make and excuse. That Malema is leaving posh life come on, that young man work hard for him to be where he is, ask all politician they will tell that. That because you work hard and with the brilliant views you had why did you not yet lead ANCYL, you know you are hypocrites and cowards who hide behind apartheid education, you are looser who fail to reason beyond you indoctrinated education, you fail to neutralize that poison in your mind. You see you are not educated. You just being lucky to be grown up with silver spoon in your mouth. Lastly, you act like Terror Lekota. You have been here for so many years but fail to understand that ANC is revolutionary movement, it provide change. Terror led ANC for the past 10 years not realizing the ANC is not perform up to its standard, because he was getting paid for him to be quite that was ok. He led ANC for 10 years not even say word when the ANC he is leading crushing SANCO and denying Alliance and he was quite and getting paid. But because ANC teach and train, he realize that quietness has time to pay and now making noise he think will safe his parliamentary seat. You see the only reason that Terror and people of your caliber think of forming his political party is that he is trying save his soul, he does not want to be led and he is reasoning that with ANC failed freedom and forgetting that the very same ANC that failed freedom charter he led it for 10 years. Now he want to claim that he will defend identity of ANC, he is kidding..... As for you MOsala for you not voting you think it might make difference you lie to yourself. You Mosala people those who joined ANC those years they will be forefront next years to campaign and ensuring that ANC is getting 2/3 majority, five years from now they will continue where Polokwane left, to review status quo, the programmes and acknowledging the achievement we made and deepening a change in ANC. I pause Magoro Segoahla Snr Clerical Assistant Emergency Services Department Tembisa Fire Station (011) 394 0757 Ext 337 Fax: 086 513 0055 [EMAIL PROTECTED] " Leaders are not born but produce by experience" -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mandla matsane Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:44 AM To: [email protected]; corlie bosman Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Why I will not vote 4 the ANC under J.Z it is not a problem if some people don't want to vote for the ANC, but we shall continously be encouraging people to vote and to vote for the ANC in particular. i think forum has an opportunity to educate people, sorry comrades like, who said if you are not educated you can lead people? what grade or masters do you need to lead people, probably you can explain that to us? what complex issues are you talking about? since the 1994 political breakthrough there has been an emerging class of that has benefited from BEE programs, that is able to buy posrch cars. i think you should know better, no one has his views but everyone represents the views and policies of the organisation. you have a wonderful day and prepare yourself to vote for the ANC next year. Mandla Matsane ________________________________ > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Why I will not vote 4 the ANC under J.Z > Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:57:24 +0200 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > > > This are comrade how don't understand WHY THE ANC was formed. Let go and mobilize our people to vote for ANC and forget about people who want to divide the organisation > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dominic Tweedie > Sent: 11 October 2008 11:13 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Why I will not vote 4 the ANC under J.Z > > > > Are such letters real? > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sgidi Mosala > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 9:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Why I will not vote 4 the ANC under J.Z > > > > > > Revolutionary Greetings Macom! > > > > I never thought I will be the one writing this message, disgruntled as I am. I have always maintained that I joined the ANC because of its tradition and principles. I didn't join the ANC to drive porsh cars or stay in affluent suburbs of our country. I always maintained that to acquire all these luxury i must work hard academically to secure a decent job to earn a better salary. > > > > I had these ambition of witnessing during fredom in my life time the genuine creation of a better life for all our people especially the poorest of the poor. But I am still to see that except in certain cases things are worse than during apartheid. > > > > How do you expect me to renew the manadate of the ANC in next year election whilst their have dismally failed to do basic things. How do you expect me to vote for the ANC next year, because ANC victory means that stupid like Julias Malema and Buti Manamela who failed to progress academically will be chauver driven in porsch cars. > > > > How do explain that our stuggle for the emancipation of black people has been reduced to cultism where evrything is about Jacob Zuma becoming a president despite the controversy hanging around him. > > > > Here are the following reasons why I wont vote: > > > > 1. The ANC that I joined 18yrs ago, has been donated to the whimps of greeed, corruption endorses and people who have scant regard to the constitution. The ANC of today led by Mantashe and Malemas is a direct opposite of Joe Slovo and Oliver Tambo fought hard during difficult times to build. > > > > 2. I will not vote because the ANC has dismally failed to live up to its character as a mass based party. The only time the ANC remember our people is during elections. They will be seen visiting every household conducting door to door again lying to our people about how they will effect changes if they are voted in. > > > > 3. How do I endorse the stupid and morons like Bhuti Manamela, Julias Malema, Fikile Mbalula and Nyami Booi to be my leaders. Their main focus is to amasse wealth in substituting their failures academically. They have used the ANC as a step ladder to wealthy life styles. How do explain the wealth that Julias posses. How do you explain why Mbalula was transported with a charter flight from his initiation school. > > > > 4. Do you think I can vote for ANC, because if it wins Jacob Zuma is going to be its President. Imagine J.Zuma as a President, is a cause to worry about. He does not have views he condones stupid wrong things done by Malema under his defense. Zuma is uneducated and will not be able to handle complex issues of governance especially international relation and the volatile market economy. Pls do you expect me to vote for someone who slept with an HIV positive young woman without using protection. > > > > 5. How do I vote for an ANC that does not respect local government level. It has deployed stupid lazy councillors in most wards and today service delivery is pipe dream for many communities bcos of the ANC. > > > > To hell with ANC am not voting > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY & DISCLAIMER NOTICE > > > > This message contains specific, confidential or proprietary information for exclusive use by the individual/entities to whom/which it has been addressed. If you or your company is not the intended recipient kindly notify the sender immediately. Any use or dissemination of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. > > > > The content of this message does not constitute a commitment or an offer by Ekurhuleni Metropolitan Municipality, except where expressly provided for in a written agreement. 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