Comrade Mosala I have responded to your email before, however ther is a point I want to make about the ANC to you and the likeminded. the fact that ANC is a broad church and that it is a growing organisation also makes a very important point about how important are the safegaurds that we must put in place to make sure that the ANC is not ravaged by elements who are in this broad church for the intentions that have got nothing to do with the revolution. It is why at every given, necessary, contextual predetermined point in history ANC undergoes a cleansing ceremony so that its purity is not compromised by the growth only in numbers or quantitavely but also has a qualitative growth. The cleansing Rituals have been alluded to by many comrades in the forum, THE 1959 (VACCINATION AGAINST SOBUKWETITIS, THE 1997 (THE VACCINATION AGAINST THE HOLOMITES) AND NOW THE ONCOMING 2008 (VACCINATION AGAINST THE EXTRA ORDINARY DRUG RESISTANT TERRORITIS) The Anc is very jealous about its traditions and it won't abondone them and that include the cleansing Rituals
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:55:05 +0200From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Why I will not vote 4 the ANC under J.ZCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comrade Mosala Let me also take this opportunity to highlight that fact you have mentioned; that you have been a member of the ANC for 18 years now...then you also say that the ANC is only visible during the elections and also that it is laying to the people through door to door campaigns. This tells me that you have an experience in ANC as a person who was a member 18 years ago till today, you have witnessed or participated in the ANC during the past 3 national general & local government elections and you were happily party to the ANC that you say has been lying to the people and als only appearing during the elections period. I am shocked to hear a member of ANC confessing to have been part of liars under the guise of the ANC to the voters and also appearing only when the ANC had to be voted for door to door activities. If you were not party to these activities you were a consenting witness as a bona fide member of ANC for the past 18 years up until you have written this letter. I am worried about the ANC losing membership, because the ANC is a mass based movement, people like you have always been accommodated in the ANC. They would be given clarity and correction on many matters up until they become ripened democrats, some of them starting to even adopt class bias, that is if they had not had a class interest before they had joined the ANC. With you it seems the past 18 years you have spent in the ANC on you there was an antithesis of cadreship development. But i also understand that because the ANC had faced many challenges since the unbanning and some among them had been recruiting people who had very different expectations of the ANC. Just as a thought provoking question to the comrades in the forum, how many people of the Mosala character do we have in the ANC? And then if they are there, how are we going to solve this problem, considering that we are a democratic mass liberation movement!!! Communist regards Masoga On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Godfrey Segoahla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sgidi Mosala, Firstly I will like you to tell the whole forum whichbranch are belong to, like you said you been a member of ANC for thepast 18 years yet not knowing that ANC is broad church that includemassive uneducated and very poor of the poorest. That is unapologetic.The level of education in politics does not characterize a leadership.It very surprise that you said you achieve whatever you had by yourhardworking, who determine your level of hardwork, yourself. How did youmeasure the quality of that education you are busy with. You see Mosalais not yourself is the people those who design what did you calleducation who made you to think as you do. I am not surprise you cannotbeat that poison you got, you are very weak to deal with reality in thisstruggle.You see Mosala, every one even those who are not members of ANC the saythat they join ANC 18 years ago.For you driving porsh cars it seems to be important than the people yougrown up or than you're your neighbors livelihood. Your concern is verymuch invalid and I don`t think that it need further discussion, for younot voting I don`t think is problem, because may be even before you didnot vote so now you want make and excuse.That Malema is leaving posh life come on, that young man work hard forhim to be where he is, ask all politician they will tell that. Thatbecause you work hard and with the brilliant views you had why did younot yet lead ANCYL, you know you are hypocrites and cowards who hidebehind apartheid education, you are looser who fail to reason beyond youindoctrinated education, you fail to neutralize that poison in yourmind. You see you are not educated.You just being lucky to be grown up with silver spoon in your mouth.Lastly, you act like Terror Lekota. You have been here for so many yearsbut fail to understand that ANC is revolutionary movement, it providechange. Terror led ANC for the past 10 years not realizing the ANC isnot perform up to its standard, because he was getting paid for him tobe quite that was ok. He led ANC for 10 years not even say word when theANC he is leading crushing SANCO and denying Alliance and he was quiteand getting paid.But because ANC teach and train, he realize that quietness has time topay and now making noise he think will safe his parliamentary seat. Yousee the only reason that Terror and people of your caliber think offorming his political party is that he is trying save his soul, he doesnot want to be led and he is reasoning that with ANC failed freedom andforgetting that the very same ANC that failed freedom charter he led itfor 10 years. Now he want to claim that he will defend identity of ANC,he is kidding.....As for you MOsala for you not voting you think it might make differenceyou lie to yourself.You Mosala people those who joined ANC those years they will beforefront next years to campaign and ensuring that ANC is getting 2/3majority, five years from now they will continue where Polokwane left,to review status quo, the programmes and acknowledging the achievementwe made and deepening a change in ANC.I pauseMagoro SegoahlaSnr Clerical AssistantEmergency Services DepartmentTembisa Fire Station(011) 394 0757 Ext 337Fax: 086 513 [EMAIL PROTECTED]" Leaders are not born but produce by experience" -----Original Message-----From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mandla matsaneSent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:44 AMTo: [email protected]; corlie bosmanSubject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Why I will not vote 4 the ANC under J.Z it is not a problem if some people don't want to vote for the ANC, butwe shall continously be encouraging people to vote and to vote for the ANC in particular.i think forum has an opportunity to educate people, sorry comrades like,who said if you are not educated you can lead people?what grade or masters do you need to lead people, probably you canexplain that to us?what complex issues are you talking about?since the 1994 political breakthrough there has been an emerging classof that has benefited from BEE programs, that is able to buy posrchcars.i think you should know better, no one has his views but everyonerepresents the views and policies of the organisation.you have a wonderful day and prepare yourself to vote for the ANC next year.Mandla Matsane________________________________> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Why I will not vote 4 the ANC underJ.Z> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:57:24 +0200> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]>>> This are comrade how don't understand WHY THE ANC was formed. Let goand mobilize our people to vote for ANC and forget about people who wantto divide the organisation>>>> ________________________________>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dominic Tweedie> Sent: 11 October 2008 11:13 AM> To: [email protected]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Why I will not vote 4 the ANC underJ.Z>>>> Are such letters real?>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sgidi Mosala> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 9:12 AM> To: [email protected]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Why I will not vote 4 the ANC under J.Z>>>>> > Revolutionary Greetings Macom!>>>> I never thought I will be the one writing > this message, disgruntled asI am. I have always maintained that I joined the > ANC because of itstradition and principles. I didn't join the ANC to drive > porsh cars orstay in affluent suburbs of our country. I always maintained > that toacquire all these luxury i must work hard academically to secure > adecent job to earn a better salary.>>>> I had these ambition of witnessing > during fredom in my life time thegenuine creation of a better life for all > our people especially thepoorest of the poor. But I am still to see that > except in certain casesthings are worse than during apartheid.>>>> How do you > expect me to renew the manadate of the ANC in next yearelection whilst their > have dismally failed to do basic things. How doyou expect me to vote for the > ANC next year, because ANC victory meansthat stupid like Julias Malema and > Buti Manamela who failed to progressacademically will be chauver driven in > porsch cars.>>>> How do explain that our stuggle for the emancipation of > black peoplehas been reduced to cultism where evrything is about Jacob Zuma > becominga president despite the controversy hanging around him.>>>> Here are > the following reasons why I wont vote:>>>> 1. The ANC that I joined 18yrs > ago, has been donated to the whimps ofgreeed, corruption endorses and people > who have scant regard to theconstitution. The ANC of today led by Mantashe > and Malemas is a directopposite of Joe Slovo and Oliver Tambo fought hard > during difficulttimes to build.>>>> 2. I will not vote because the ANC has > dismally failed to live up toits character as a mass based party. The only > time the ANC remember ourpeople is during elections. They will be seen > visiting every householdconducting door to door again lying to our people > about how they willeffect changes if they are voted in.>>>> 3. How do I > endorse the stupid and morons like Bhuti Manamela, JuliasMalema, Fikile > Mbalula and Nyami Booi to be my leaders. Their main focusis to amasse wealth > in substituting their failures academically. Theyhave used the ANC as a step > ladder to wealthy life styles. How doexplain the wealth that Julias posses. > How do you explain why Mbalulawas transported with a charter flight from his > initiation school.>>>> 4. Do you think I can vote for ANC, because if it wins > Jacob Zuma isgoing to be its President. Imagine J.Zuma as a President, is a > cause toworry about. He does not have views he condones stupid wrong things > doneby Malema under his defense. Zuma is uneducated and will not be able > tohandle complex issues of governance especially international relationand > the volatile market economy. Pls do you expect me to vote forsomeone who > slept with an HIV positive young woman without usingprotection.>>>> 5. How do > I vote for an ANC that does not respect local governmentlevel. 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