Cadre, It's disturbing that you would make the assumption that statements would be made on no substantiative basis and that the YCL "condemns for the sake of condemning".....It insinuates that the YCL is now victim of intellectual bankrupcty and there is no content in the issues that they are raising.
I completely understand your view, but the question at hand is the "modus operandi" utilised by the Minister to deal with those soldiers.....We do not want a situation that will infiltrate violence further and dismissal could trigger that route. We are not saying that the government should be held at ransom, but this is a sensitive matter and touches on issues of security, so the whole approach should be in a way that it yields positive results for ALL involved, including citizens.....These are workers comrades and simply dissmising them without suspension or prior hearings is unlawful.. The minister needs to urgently engage with the unions and resolve this matter before it spirals out of control. There are members that are already threatening to take action based on these dismissals...........does that help us?? Cde. Gugu Ndima On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Nndwamato Mutshidza <[email protected]>wrote: > > Cdes, > > While some of us sympathise with those provisionally dismissed, we need to > get it clear that Dr. Lindiwe cannot just act out of anger to fulfil her > task. You see cds, this tendency of YCL just from nowhere send condemnation > without an analysis of the situation is problematic. For starters those > soldiers who behaved like hooligans does not deserved to be called real > workers as they seems not progressive and does not know what is right and > wrong. If you are not granted permission to march the law should take its > own cause period and they were aware of these quensequneces. SA has laws and > as such people particularly those assigned responsibility to ensure that > there law and order should be the first to guide this process. It cannot be > right for us to make noise on lawlessness. > > Now on the issue at hand, cdes it does not matter who put who in power, the > Minister has a duty to ensure that things are done in order. You cdes seems > to have memory lapse, in that you think that it has been long she has been > in the help of the mess created by Terror when he was in charge. The root > cause, which the Zuma Administration has prioritised are issues of taking > care of our combatant, issue of recruitment and building loyalty to serve > this country. All these principles are not displayed by these soldier you so > dearly want us to defend. The issue of support for those that requires > training and those that are HIV are issue of Social responsibility of the > State to provide for. The issue of just hiring people who amongst other is > fitness cannot be overlooked no matter which reactionary judge ruled. Just > like in Mining Industry, if you blood pressure cannot allow you to go deep > down we are not obliged to hire you and thats what we called progressive > discrimination for someone else sake. The same applies to soldiers who are > HIV/AIDS infected, they know and studies have shown that you cannot be at > your peak in a war zone as SA is doing currently in Central Africa. Hence we > should have a debate as to this issue of opening the gate for everyone is in > the interest of whose family. I am rasing this view to show that it is not > easy to implement but you have to carefully plan the implementation of the > court order looking at your own capacity. Assume we rush the implementation > and in a scale of 1:10 you find that 5 are dying on this dieses as the stats > shows, who take responsibility? The State through Tax payers and you want us > not to have a say on this matter, maybe someone should educate me here. > > Lets give the new Minister chance to look at the implications and then > report to this members. I am not qualified to talk to Salaries as I do not > know how much they earn and what grade are they supposed to be and I would > like to advice other to do the same and leave the rest to the due process to > resolve the impasse. > > I remain > > Cde Tom > >>> sipho shandu <[email protected]> 2009/09/01 12:10 PM >>> > Greetings Cadres, > > I am of the opinion that our president made an error when choosing a > minister of defence as she cannot discuss issues. The soldiers are the most > underpaid civil servants in the country and yet they have chosen to guard > and put their lives at risk. > > I believe that the ministers' decision to dismiss them was not well thought > and was very much selfish. The minister tends to forget as to who put her > and her bosses in government. She tends to forget her constituencies. > > I feel that the minister should reconsider her decision as she was still > feeling a little bit sleepy at the time it was decided. We surely do not > want war. This decision also shows the manner that government treats us as > citizens and civil servants. > > I strongly condemn the minister because she does not understand the > background of these soldiers. How does it now help that she has dismissed > them? Who is going to feed their families? Is this part of the NDR? > > All cadres out there, let us rally behind our soldiers to get their jobs > back and after that to get a salary review. All ministers tend to forget > that we as the people elected them into those cushy positions and we could > easily cut them down to size. > > If they want war, then war it that they shall get and that is not a threat! > > AMANDLA MASOSHA OMZANSI!! AMANDLA!!! > > > On 9/1/09, Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > *YCLSA condemns the dismissal of soldiers by the Minister of Defence and > > Military veterans* > > > > *01 September 2009* > > > > The Young communist league of South Africa (UFasimba) would like to > condemn > > the Minister for dismissing soldiers that were involved in the strike > > action. We believe that this does not help the matter but exacerbates it > > further. The YCLSA strongly opposes the violent nature of the action by > the > > soldiers who are members of the South African National Defence Union. > > > > The YCLSA believes that there is no form of grievance that justifies > > violence and threat to national security. However, dismissing soldiers > who > > are bread winners and heads of family households implies that the > Minister > > is using dismissal as a political tool to avoid dealing with the gist of > the > > matter. > > > > We call on the Minister of Defence and Military Veterans not to solve > the > > problem by avoiding it, but by urgently giving the soldiers a hearing. We > > believe that the concerns of the soldiers, especially related to wages > and > > transformation of the military, are genuine and should be addressed. > > > > Labour practises should be applied to any worker irrespective of their > > occupation. We condemn any attempt to try and bar soldiers from being > > members of trade unions, and do not agree with the sentiments made by the > > MKVA. We therefore call upon the Minister to meet with representatives of > > both unions and come to an amicable solution to the matter at hand. > > > > *Issued by the YCLSA Head office* > > > > *Contact* > > > > *Gugu Ndima (076 783 1516) * > > > > *National spokesperson* > > > > > > -- > > Gugu Ndima > > +27 76 783 1516 > > > > > > > > > > > -- > This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright terms and conditions, > e-mail legal notice, and implemented Open Document Format (ODF) standard. > The full disclaimer details can be found at > http://www.csir.co.za/disclaimer.html. > > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > MailScanner, > and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks Transtec Computers for > their support. > > > > > -- Gugu Ndima +27 76 783 1516 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. 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