Well comrade you never seize to amuse me, and clear you have never learnt a thing from the past, neither should I expect you to learn anything from this discussion advanced by comrades in this forum. How ever in your responce early this morning you have accused comrades of believing that Marxism is a religion, you were further clarified by the accused comrade. Further benefit of comrades going trough this trauma from your illusions Let me state it clear Marxism - Leninism is neither a religion nor dogma, let me state it clear that we can never win this debate as you are heavenly convinced that there is a high being that will resolve our current problems, including the struggle against oppression, we therefore further wish you luck in your endeavor.
Mfokazi wahlule!!. wander is how will you understand what ever you have fantasy to negate. I rest my case!!! --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Xoli Dlabantu <[email protected]> wrote: From: Xoli Dlabantu <[email protected]> Subject: Re: FW: Re: FW: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] DEPLOYMENT FROM HEAVEN To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 3:38 AM Cde, The issue of religion needs to be understood in its proper context... Every subjective pronouncement that is regarded as "absolute"...cannot be changed...too advanced for human thought....is in itself RELIGION...including the utterances that christianity is unscientific.... CAUSE I CAN PROVE IT BEFORE YOU THAT CHRISTIANITY IS VERY SCIENTIFIC...if Marxism is regarded as to advanced for ordinary activists like xoli...then that is religion...MARXISM IS THE UNIVERSAL ACCUMULATION OF KNOWLEDGE...NOT DOGMA...AND SERVES TO GUIDE US... On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Cde, > 1. To say that a comrade is a mere "activist" who will "never" come to > the desired level of "being" suggests mental retardation on the part > of the "proponent" who would by all means impart such retardation to > others so that they can be benchmarked by his/ her state of static > retardness...That was offensive and deserved what it got... > 2. I find nothing difficult with developing marxism as a system of > ideas, nor do I regard Marx as this super-genious...rather I regard > him as a person who laid foundation for the development of the > society...I can see flaws in his system and like any other > system...seeks maintainance... > 3. An axiological perspective on class analysis is to study the value > system or value judgements of that class analysis...and it doesn't > alter our understanding at all but it harnesses and propells it other > heights...the Struggle between humanisation...and dehumanisation...the > oppressor and the oppressor...the capitalist class and the alienated > working class... > 4.the point behind the question on "the value of commodified labour > (power) to be precise is raised against the incomplete nature of > Marxism...and the answer...though it was never included...is quite > easily accessible...and it doesn't take a genious...of ntsembeyi's > stature or a figure out...but it merely needs research...so here I'm > trying to break the religious myth or DOGMA THAT MARXISM IS > COMPLETE... > 5. With regard to the issue of "value of commodified labour > power",..I'm consulting broadly with other socialists > internationaly....and they find no anomaly...with anyone making a > contribution of developing Marxism...and my intended approach is to > come an exegisis...of Das Kapital Vol1... > Xoli.. > > On 2/16/10, Brendan Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >> xoli, >> >> you have missed the point of this forum. >> >> we do not shoot people or take shots at people here. >> >> we form a discourse that helps to benifit everybody. >> >> if you feel that this forum will benefit from your understanding of >> the "value of commodified labour" then by all mean start a topic where >> this can be discussed. >> >> retardation is a medical disorder, to suggest that people who struggle >> to grapple with issues suffer from a mental disorder is offensive and >> shows a complete disregard for understanding on your behalf. >> >> i often struggle to comprehend complex issues, which is why i ask >> comrades to engage with me on these subjects in the hope of all of us >> coming to a better understanding and finding clarity in difficult >> subjects. this is why this forum exists and are the principles to >> which this forum is based on. >> >> on a side note i have read your comments and seek clarity as to what >> is meant by an 'axiological view of class struggle.' of course i >> understand the words but in what manner does it alter our >> understanding of class struggle >> you could say im grappling with an understanding of this statement >> >> >> -- >> You are subscribed. 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All you have to do is to send an > e-mail to this address (repeat): > [email protected] . > ______________________ Cde Xoli If it happens that we arrive to the discussion forum to show others that we are the better under standers by undermining the contribution of other people if they battle to understand your point that will be incorrect. Comrades there are better ways of letting an individual understand the points in discussions not degrading his/her inputs by suggesting that you are better thought out as compare to another leaders. 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