Cde Sithembewenya is correct, i also think the view of the VC in and on this matter would be of interest-cde VC would you be kind to temper us with your view
With communist love from Zimbabwe Cde Mlilo On 3/10/10, Sithembewena tsembeyi <[email protected]> wrote: > Well in as much as we would like to distance ourselves from this reality, > and I barely believe u-mama meant to dislodge u-tata but reality is what > ever is she said is nothing but the relevent truth, seeds of such are seen > in the latest developments in our political space, it is neccesarry for such > stalwarts to aknoledge the reality. > > the only truth ever said since the reliease of Madiba is what u-mama is > saying. > > Knowing this as a personal view of comrade Winnie, but reality is many > coward but influential leaders in the ANC and through out the MDM structure > know is the truth. I would have if I could challenge all in the NEC of the > ANC, CC of the SACP and CEC of COSATU to comment with content in the matter > at hand. > > Given the realities faced by our South African society, we can say it clear > that Comrade Mandala has turned to be a token of Bourgeoisie, his name has > now became a commodity, whereby it sells faster than fat-kooks in a taxi > rank, this has been taken advantage of by capitalist and has merged its > continuity in exploiting and profit orientation through the name of the said > cadre. > > Yes it should be acknowledged like that Madiba spent mountus years in prison > for the name of freedom, but he is currently spending his last days in life > in the name of capitalism. this maybe my personal view, but for so many > years I have been personally question his contribution visa vee his current > business outlook, what relevancy is it to the struggle, is it set in his > mind that the struggle has long ended by him become the first democratic > black president, does he even consider the flaws caused by some of the > agreements he took, as gradually as some of us, will in this case say that > he was not alone in those discussions but through a collective it was taken, > but how about we also consider that he is not the only freedom fighter as we > have given him a world out look. > > If we would have been class content we could in this case also give > ideological analysis in his release from prison, was it just or or > collaborated intent to drive some regimic remains, as it was obviously clear > that the revolution from the counter parts was engagingly strong and posed a > formidable threat to the existence of white domination. > > It is also clear that the self acclaimed moralist priest, did not understand > the role of the revolution and its then gains, my personal opinion on his > particpatary role in the TRC was nothing but as an agent of impiralism and > to diveldge the reactionary role played by comrade Madiba. I do not mean to > prown but I do not think mama-Winnie is falsified by these contemplation > that existed pre and post de Klerk's era. > > Given the reluctant relationship of the three (Madiba, Tutu and de Klerk) > and their nobility to the world of empiricist I have personally decided to > study their relationship with the third world force, and I challenge all > cadres to give perspective to the comments made by mama-Winnie, I would have > loved to hear what comrade VC Domza have to say given that a stalwart and > closed revolutionary partner to tata has given this perspective and she is > unshaken by the world weight of Madiba. > > Will be waiting, > > hasta siempre la comandante > > Sithembewena Tsembeyi > > > > > ________________________________ > From: NT Zwane <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 10:05:55 AM > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Winnie says Mandela let us down > > > AMANDLA MAMA WINNIE > > Quoting Sandile Ngcobo <[email protected]>: > >> I've been waiting for years for someone amongst the leadership to say >> this; >> Mandela was not alone though, it's was a collective decision. >> >> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Sithembewena tsembeyi >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Winnie says Mandela let us down 09 March 2010 >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> Winnie Madikizela-Mandela >>> Mandela is now a corporate foundation >>> Mandela did go to prison and he went in there as a burning young >>> revolutionary. But look what came out >>> Maybe we have to go back to the drawing board and see where it all went >>> >>> Struggle stalwart Winnie Madikizela-Mandela bitterly lashed out at Nelson >>> Mandela in an interview published in the London Evening Standard this >>> week. >>> >>> She said South Africa's first democratically elected president, who is >>> also her ex-husband, had become a "corporate foundation" who was being >>> "wheeled out to collect the money". >>> >>> Madikizela-Mandela also called Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu a >>> "cretin", >>> in the interview with Nadira Naipaul, who visited her with her husband, >>> the >>> writer VS Naipaul, in Soweto. >>> >>> "Mandela let us down," said Madikizela-Mandela. >>> >>> "He agreed to a bad deal for the blacks. Economically, we are still on >>> the >>> outside. >>> >>> "The economy is very much 'white'. It has a few token blacks, but so many >>> who gave their life in the struggle have died >>> >>> unrewarded," said Madikizela-Mandela, in the interview published on >>> www.standard.co.uk. >>> >>> She said Mandela had no control over the ANC anymore and was just being >>> used by the Nelson Mandela Foundation to get funds. >>> >>> "Look what they make him do. The great Mandela. He has no control or say >>> any more. They put that huge statue of him right in the middle of the >>> most >>> affluent 'white' area of Johannesburg. Not here where we spilled our >>> blood >>> and where it all started. >>> >>> "Mandela is now a corporate foundation. He is wheeled out globally to >>> collect the money and he is content doing that. The ANC have effectively >>> sidelined him but they keep him as a figurehead for the sake of >>> appearance." >>> >>> Madikizela-Mandela said Mandela was not the only leader who suffered. >>> >>> "This name Mandela is an albatross around the necks of my family. You all >>> must realise that Mandela was not the only man who suffered. There were >>> many >>> others, hundreds who languished in prison and died. >>> >>> "Many unsung and unknown heroes of the struggle, and there were others in >>> the leadership too, like poor Steve Biko, who died of the beatings, >>> horribly >>> all alone. >>> >>> "Mandela did go to prison and he went in there as a burning young >>> revolutionary. But look what came out." >>> >>> Madikizela-Mandela criticised him for accepting the Nobel Peace Prize >>> with >>> the apartheid government's last president, FW de Klerk. >>> >>> "I cannot forgive him for going to receive the Nobel [Peace Prize in >>> 1993] >>> with his jailer [FW] de Klerk. Hand in hand they >>> >>> went. >>> >>> "Do you think De Klerk released him from the goodness of his heart? He >>> had >>> to. The times dictated it, the world had changed, and our struggle was >>> not a >>> flash in the pan, it was bloody to say the least and we had given rivers >>> of >>> blood. >>> >>> "I had kept it alive with every means at my disposal." >>> >>> She also lashed out at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission process, >>> criticising Tutu, its chairman. >>> >>> "Look at this Truth and Reconciliation charade. He [Mandela] should never >>> have agreed to it. >>> >>> "What good does the truth do? How does it help anyone to know where and >>> how >>> their loved ones were killed or buried? That Bishop Tutu who turned it >>> all >>> into a religious circus came here. >>> >>> "He had the cheek to tell me to appear. I told him a few home truths. I >>> told him that he and his other like-minded cretins were only sitting here >>> because of our struggle and me. Because of the things I and people like >>> me >>> had done to get freedom." >>> >>> Looking back, she said the movement's actions were badly planned. >>> >>> "You know, sometimes I think we had not thought it all out. There was no >>> planning from our side. How could we? We were badly educated and the >>> leadership does not acknowledge that. Maybe we have to go back to the >>> drawing board and see where it all went wrong." - Sapa >>> >>> -- >>> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to >>> this message. >>> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>> options, pages, files and membership. >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >>> [email protected]. You don't have to put >>> anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to >>> put anything in the message part. 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