You are commpletely missing a point here, there are no time limits for raising issues in the political arena. If all were to think in the same manner in which you think, freedom of speech will suffer defeat in the hands of oppressors.
What uWinnie raised should be engaged from an analytical and dialectical point of view, give perspective to the subject in question hence uSithembewena introduced it in the blog. Your intention is to suppress reason and therefore such qualifies you as an empiricist. You want us to focus on uWinnie as a person and not what she raises, if we were to fall in your trap, the ideological vendors of every description will then take advantage of the situation and distort history. A typical example is that of the party and the ANC, it makes no sense for the Party to question the class character of the ANC, but such does mean we will not question the ANC's class character in the near future. Our participation in the state doesn't disqualify the Party from criticising it in future, hope you understand as I'm trying to make it easier for you. The struggle is not about your idealist interest or what in informs Winnie's statement, it is about whether uMandela sold us or not. It is about the authenticity of Winnie's remarks. It is about which class interests they serve. As for the timing of the statement, not everyone realises wrong doing as it happens, if you read about SP Bunting you will then know what I mean. Bunting will take time to analyse anything before responding, maybe Winnie did the same in this regard. As for leaders saying things informed by enviroment, you must understand that it is not the consciousness of one that informs the enviroment, but the enviroment that informs the consciousness of one. Lastly, there are no holy cows emzabalazweni. It is not my intention to offend anyone, and if I offended you by chance, please accept my revolutionary and proletarian apologies in advance. Hasta siempre la commandante, Avant Garde Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Thembinkosi Josopu Sent: 10/03/2010 10:51:07 Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Winnie says Mandela let us down ** High Priority ** My interests is what informs her statement, as in many instances our leaders tend to say things informed by environment they found themselves further informed by certain goals they want to achieve, hence my interest on what informs her statement... Thembinkosi Josopu Student Admissions & Advocacy Services University of Cape Town Level 3, Kramer Law building Middle Campus Rondebosch,7700 Tel :021-650-2429 Fax:021-650-4014 "A great leader's courage to fulfill his vision comes from passion, not position" >>> "Kanego, Clarence Thete" <[email protected]> 2010/03/10 10:47 AM >>> Comrades, I agree with you. She raises revolutionary questions and concerns however I am not if it was correct of her to raise it in the media let alone in the land of the imperialists! I believe she was out of line. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:05 AM, NT Zwane <[email protected]> wrote: AMANDLA MAMA WINNIE Quoting Sandile Ngcobo <[email protected]>: I've been waiting for years for someone amongst the leadership to say this; Mandela was not alone though, it's was a collective decision. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Sithembewena tsembeyi <[email protected]>wrote: Winnie says Mandela let us down 09 March 2010 ------------------------------ Winnie Madikizela-Mandela Mandela is now a corporate foundation Mandela did go to prison and he went in there as a burning young revolutionary. But look what came out Maybe we have to go back to the drawing board and see where it all went Struggle stalwart Winnie Madikizela-Mandela bitterly lashed out at Nelson Mandela in an interview published in the London Evening Standard this week. She said South Africa's first democratically elected president, who is also her ex-husband, had become a "corporate foundation" who was being "wheeled out to collect the money". Madikizela-Mandela also called Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu a "cretin", in the interview with Nadira Naipaul, who visited her with her husband, the writer VS Naipaul, in Soweto. "Mandela let us down," said Madikizela-Mandela. "He agreed to a bad deal for the blacks. Economically, we are still on the outside. "The economy is very much 'white'. It has a few token blacks, but so many who gave their life in the struggle have died unrewarded," said Madikizela-Mandela, in the interview published on www.standard.co.uk. She said Mandela had no control over the ANC anymore and was just being used by the Nelson Mandela Foundation to get funds. "Look what they make him do. The great Mandela. He has no control or say any more. They put that huge statue of him right in the middle of the most affluent 'white' area of Johannesburg. Not here where we spilled our blood and where it all started. "Mandela is now a corporate foundation. He is wheeled out globally to collect the money and he is content doing that. The ANC have effectively sidelined him but they keep him as a figurehead for the sake of appearance." Madikizela-Mandela said Mandela was not the only leader who suffered. "This name Mandela is an albatross around the necks of my family. You all must realise that Mandela was not the only man who suffered. There were many others, hundreds who languished in prison and died. "Many unsung and unknown heroes of the struggle, and there were others in the leadership too, like poor Steve Biko, who died of the beatings, horribly all alone. "Mandela did go to prison and he went in there as a burning young revolutionary. But look what came out." Madikizela-Mandela criticised him for accepting the Nobel Peace Prize with the apartheid government's last president, FW de Klerk. "I cannot forgive him for going to receive the Nobel [Peace Prize in 1993] with his jailer [FW] de Klerk. Hand in hand they went. "Do you think De Klerk released him from the goodness of his heart? He had to. The times dictated it, the world had changed, and our struggle was not a flash in the pan, it was bloody to say the least and we had given rivers of blood. "I had kept it alive with every means at my disposal." She also lashed out at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission process, criticising Tutu, its chairman. "Look at this Truth and Reconciliation charade. He [Mandela] should never have agreed to it. "What good does the truth do? How does it help anyone to know where and how their loved ones were killed or buried? That Bishop Tutu who turned it all into a religious circus came here. "He had the cheek to tell me to appear. I told him a few home truths. I told him that he and his other like-minded cretins were only sitting here because of our struggle and me. Because of the things I and people like me had done to get freedom." Looking back, she said the movement's actions were badly planned. "You know, sometimes I think we had not thought it all out. There was no planning from our side. How could we? We were badly educated and the leadership does not acknowledge that. Maybe we have to go back to the drawing board and see where it all went wrong." - Sapa -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected]. You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. 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