--- On Wed, 3/10/10, Kanego, Clarence Thete <[email protected]> wrote:
I think Mama Winnie has raised an issue which the majority of us feels uncomfortable to raise, but she is ventilating her feelings, honestly and public. There is one issue which I agree with her that as a country and the movement we need to pause,and look back where did we go wrong? Our people are delutioned about freedom and democracy which as a nation we never talked about the CODESA agreement, The masses were just needed when there was a deadlog in the negotiations and cde CHRIS HANI warned that it is dangerous to to use the masses like a water tap which is switch off and on as you like. are the masses aware of the sunset clause? The ANC got a two third majority under former president Thabo Mbeki and why there was no revolutionary changes in the constitution? two third was a premise and confidence of the ANC to masses to vote it with the two third majority in order to change the property relation to address the imbalances of the past. How many of us know about the local government settlement that lead to the transitional councils? In local municipality nothing has changed, municipalities still rely on its service revenue to exist, their demand in terms of services is still racialised or about class, those who pay more get a better and quality service. Under such condition there is no municipality that will address the demands of the service delivery protest. The current arrangement munipalities are independent and have to make a profit. I know so many comrades are doing a lot to divert the resource from the city or towns to the periphery and they are faced with resistance from the DA. Look at the cities under the DA are developing centraly without the periphery. This explains why the RENT PAYERS ASSOCIATION is having the financial power over the municipality and can easily collapse the municipality. Why the remaining whites in municipalities are working in the assets section? why the land is still administered by whites in most municipalities? where they are not in charge there is no asset register, is missing. Reassessment will give an opportunity to review the time frame of the ANC ELECTION MANIFESTO, in principle every South african agrees with the five priorities and honestly to implement them we need 20 to 50 years therefore we need to move as a nation before any chaos. what about the national anthem? are we still in the goverment of national unity or we need an anthem that talks about us as the new nation? I pause maviyo ndinisa From: Kanego, Clarence Thete <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Winnie says Mandela let us down To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:47 AM Comrades, I agree with you. She raises revolutionary questions and concerns however I am not if it was correct of her to raise it in the media let alone in the land of the imperialists! I believe she was out of line. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:05 AM, NT Zwane <[email protected]> wrote: AMANDLA MAMA WINNIE Quoting Sandile Ngcobo <[email protected]>: I've been waiting for years for someone amongst the leadership to say this; Mandela was not alone though, it's was a collective decision. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Sithembewena tsembeyi <[email protected]>wrote: Winnie says Mandela let us down 09 March 2010 ------------------------------ Winnie Madikizela-Mandela Mandela is now a corporate foundation Mandela did go to prison and he went in there as a burning young revolutionary. But look what came out Maybe we have to go back to the drawing board and see where it all went Struggle stalwart Winnie Madikizela-Mandela bitterly lashed out at Nelson Mandela in an interview published in the London Evening Standard this week. She said South Africa's first democratically elected president, who is also her ex-husband, had become a "corporate foundation" who was being "wheeled out to collect the money". Madikizela-Mandela also called Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu a "cretin", in the interview with Nadira Naipaul, who visited her with her husband, the writer VS Naipaul, in Soweto. "Mandela let us down," said Madikizela-Mandela. "He agreed to a bad deal for the blacks. Economically, we are still on the outside. "The economy is very much 'white'. It has a few token blacks, but so many who gave their life in the struggle have died unrewarded," said Madikizela-Mandela, in the interview published on www.standard.co.uk. She said Mandela had no control over the ANC anymore and was just being used by the Nelson Mandela Foundation to get funds. "Look what they make him do. The great Mandela. He has no control or say any more. They put that huge statue of him right in the middle of the most affluent 'white' area of Johannesburg. Not here where we spilled our blood and where it all started. "Mandela is now a corporate foundation. He is wheeled out globally to collect the money and he is content doing that. The ANC have effectively sidelined him but they keep him as a figurehead for the sake of appearance." Madikizela-Mandela said Mandela was not the only leader who suffered. "This name Mandela is an albatross around the necks of my family. You all must realise that Mandela was not the only man who suffered. There were many others, hundreds who languished in prison and died. "Many unsung and unknown heroes of the struggle, and there were others in the leadership too, like poor Steve Biko, who died of the beatings, horribly all alone. "Mandela did go to prison and he went in there as a burning young revolutionary. But look what came out." Madikizela-Mandela criticised him for accepting the Nobel Peace Prize with the apartheid government's last president, FW de Klerk. "I cannot forgive him for going to receive the Nobel [Peace Prize in 1993] with his jailer [FW] de Klerk. Hand in hand they went. "Do you think De Klerk released him from the goodness of his heart? He had to. The times dictated it, the world had changed, and our struggle was not a flash in the pan, it was bloody to say the least and we had given rivers of blood. "I had kept it alive with every means at my disposal." She also lashed out at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission process, criticising Tutu, its chairman. "Look at this Truth and Reconciliation charade. He [Mandela] should never have agreed to it. "What good does the truth do? How does it help anyone to know where and how their loved ones were killed or buried? That Bishop Tutu who turned it all into a religious circus came here. "He had the cheek to tell me to appear. I told him a few home truths. I told him that he and his other like-minded cretins were only sitting here because of our struggle and me. Because of the things I and people like me had done to get freedom." Looking back, she said the movement's actions were badly planned. "You know, sometimes I think we had not thought it all out. There was no planning from our side. How could we? We were badly educated and the leadership does not acknowledge that. Maybe we have to go back to the drawing board and see where it all went wrong." - Sapa -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. 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