On Tuesday 23 May 2006 15:06, Andreas Girardet wrote: Humm... You make some good points, however, I agree that Xgl should be near the bottom of the priority list until Titanium. My goals for contributing to yoper is to get a stable working distro first. By my current observations, the system itself is not very stable. The installer needs work (which is coming along thanks to chaks and others), I am currently working on the init scripts so that the system at least starts with the proper support. There needs to be initrd support, LVM2, better lilo and grub support, UDEV, and device detection. What good is eyecandy without a stable system? Just re-wrapping a live distro and adding some eyecandy does not provide a good foundation for the future of Yoper.
My 2 cents worth. - Which is actually worth 3 cents in New Zealand according to the echange rates :-) > Hi Chak > > Well, sure SUSE has a large amount of developers, but it is actually not > too hard really: > > 1.) Yoper's aim is to be the best looking distro. How can you claim that if > you do not have Xgl? > 2.) Yoper's goal is to be a great KDE desktop and even though Gnome has > David Reeveman himself writing the window decorator and compiz, KDE will > not be far behind and certainly still rules when it comes to actual > deployment numbers > 3.) Xgl out of the box means that people will effectively download any > distro that has that just for that alone. > 4.) If I would be running Yoper (alone ;) ) then Xgl would be in it, so the > argument that SUSE has more developers is right, but certainly not relevant > ... since it is doable. > 5.) Also one of Yoper's aim's (V1 and V2 were like that) is to have all the > latest stable OSS packages included and keep them updated to the level the > OSS developers consider stable. This includes kernel and so on. The package > version management is therefore one similar to Gentoo. What I see from the > package list at Distrowatch is that Yoper has partly very old package > versions. > > > I am part of the OpenSUSE project, but really would love to have any distro > have these features. It would be great if you could include that. I myself > cannot be part of any active development due to my obvious position at > Novell, I hope you understand. But that does not mean that I do not love my > baby or that I don't want that my baby is very successful. > > What I have seen from what Tobi has shown me I am very impressed. The > foundations for a great V3 release are layed, I would suggest that you all > keep developing for at least 1 year to have V3 polished and with plenty of > packages in the repository and have sorted the constant update cycle from > OSS packages and integrated all features. > > The installer looks fantastic, my only comment there is that I personally > would have chosen to use Yast as the installer and the configuration > utility, but I can fully understand why you want to implement it from > scratch ...... the result currently is polished. What I would suggest is to > review the installation steps, cut them down and create a flow that in > theory does not require any interaction apart from pressing enter. Yoper V1 > and V2 installed quickly since you could in theory just press enter and > have the machine installed in 5 minutes. I would also suggest to review the > need of using squashfs, unless of course you are trying to develop a > MEPIS/Knoppix like live CD to install. Not using squash and going back to a > tgz strategy would cut the installation down to under 5 minutes from the > 20-30 they take currently > > My 5 cents as a fellow Linux fanatic. > > Andreas > > On 5/22/06, Chakkaradeep C C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > On 5/21/06, Tobias Gerschner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 2006/5/22, Andreas Girardet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > RE XGL > > > > > > > > I think that version 3 has to have Xgl out of the box as it always > > > > has > > > > > > been > > > > > > > Yoper's strategy to implement anything Eyecandy oriented. SLED 10 > > > > will > > > > > > ship > > > > > > > with Xgl which certainly means it is ready for prime time. > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > As you can see on the buildserver I am having a go with it. And well > > > SuSE definitely has a larger amount of developers and they do use > > > Gnome. So I am open minded and try to hit as less walls as possible > > > while trying to get Xgl working for Yoper. Any help appreciated. > > > > yes, we dont have much developers and we do have many jobs at present to > > accomplish.Once we accomplish those, i think we could go for XGL. I > > think, once we have Titanium released,we would be relived a lot. > > > > cheers > > > > -- > > Tobias Gerschner > > Member of Board of Yoper Ltd. NZ > > > > Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do. > > _______________________________________________ > > yoper-dev mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://morpheus.pingos.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/yoper-dev > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > C.C.Chakkaradeep , > > Novatium Solutions Limited,Chennai. > > http://www.novatium.com > > http://www.yoper.com > > > > -- > > "Sometimes it's better not to ask - or to listen - when people tell you > > something can't be done. I didnt ask for permission or approval. I just > > went ahead and did it." - from "Direct from Dell" _______________________________________________ yoper-dev mailing list [email protected] https://morpheus.pingos.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/yoper-dev
