Just to clarify....

After the Sixth Patriarch in China, Five Schools evolved, Ling-ji(RinZai in 
Japanese), Chao-Dong(Soto in Japanese), Fa-Yen, Wei-Yang, Yung-Men.  The last 
three disappeared through out the years.  Only Rinzai and Soto remained in 

RinZai and Soto went to Japan through the 14th patriarch.  Due to cultural 
differences and time, the teaching and practices are not exactly identical.

The Japanese Soto came to the US first in 1898, then flourished in the 60's.  
Most of the western Zen are of Japanese Soto tradition, which, based my 
personal experience so far, without being disrespectful, lost some of the 
practices, or in a way streamlined, comparing to my Chinese RinZai background.

Even in China, each Master teaches different practices.  

It is due to our own karma that we result in meeting different Masters and 
walking on different path.

That was a short intro.

Mayka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:                                  Dear  Allen:
 It is very good for this group to come out with someone who does not 
 pretend something that is not.  And as for me and the short poem...Do 
 not worry too much.  It was something spontaneous and whatever 
 judgement I did not take badly.  It was actually quite good the way 
 Bill carried out.  However, I do agree with you that this Soho 
 tradition members do take buddhism to seriously.  Most of the 
 westerners do. But do not think for a second that that is normal.  I 
 have been a student from Thich Nhat Hanh for various years and I can 
 assure you that we do have a lot of laugh.  I do not know this Soho 
 tradition but so far my personal experience in this post an mostly in 
 a different one always from this soho tradition, it has been that 
 they have a lot of to catch up from Thich Nhat Hanh students.
 No disrespect but that is how it feels so far. 
 A bow from
 > Mayka's statements though perceived ungrounded by some, where real 
 > to her and based on her feelings. Which should not just be blown 
 > or aplogized for as unfounded. Maybe her expectations were too 
 > or maybe those in the forest can not see the path for the trees.
 > Perhaps balance is still forthcoming in the Tao of this board.
 > This has just been my unenlighten observing opinion of my 
 > observations.
 > peace
 > Z
 > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Phillip Rogers <genesis6_8@> 
 > wrote:
 > >
 > > Alright,
 > >    
 > >      I attended my first Zen sitting this Sunday in Charlotte, 
 > I could not keep concentration, my right leg fell completely 
 > my arms and back started to give me a fit and my butt ended up 
 > killing me. I could not remember when to gasho or how to effectivly 
 > do Kinhin. However, amidst all of that I had a wonderful time. The 
 > people were great and nice. We had a very lovely dharma talk. And 
 > what is more: when I was most uncomfortable in my sitting I found 
 > the strength to continue, even though it was so distracting. I am a 
 > real quitter, but the atmosphere and the dedication of the people 
 > kept me going. It has truly strengthened me in my endeavor to 
 > realize true mind. I look forward to next Sunday's sitting. 
 > >    
 > >   May we all be well,
 > >   and may we all be happy,
 > >   Allen
 > > 
 > > Mayka <flordeloto@> wrote:
 > >           Friends you seems so solemn and strict in your all 
 > practice that you 
 > > have nothing to share!. 
 > > Love from
 > > Mayka
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > >          
 > > 
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