Hi Tailor,

So true, Well put.

As we begin our practice with formulated methods, we need a lot of 
determination, perseverance and commitment.

After we entered the formula-less practice, then we can surpass these 
adjectives of human invention, and be driven by life force itself.

Al is the moderator of this forum.  I am sure he is asking this question for 
those who were not familiar with Buddhism. :-)


Tailor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:                               Buddhism is not 
pessimism or demotivating, thinking so is a misunderstanding. It may seem so 
because many ancient and modern monks and nuns seem to live a reclusive life 
without need to strive in this busy world. It might seem so because of the 
teachings of Middle Way, which "seem" to discourage anything "active" such as 
determination and perseverance that you mentioned. But this is not true.

In different scenario and environment the practice is different. Modern people, 
laymen have to work for a living. A true Buddhist works hard, because he knows 
that's his responsibility to be fulfilled. Buddhism is not a dead dogma, it is 
alive, can be applied to everyday life, including your work.

As you might agree, on the path to enlightenment, or even to maintain 
consistent daily practice, requires determination. To become Buddha one must 
excel oneself, to surpass one's weaknesses or bad habits. And from this 
perspective, those good qualities that you mentioned are  essential to 
Buddhism. "Desire" for enlightenment is different from desire for sex and money 
that make one's life unbalanced. Don't fall for the "philosophically correct" 
interpretation of Buddhism, which may tell you that all those good qualities 
are also extremes to be abandoned in the goal of Middle Way.

                          From: "donald hwong" <> Contentment is not 
satisfaction and not joy.
 Contentment is a state of want-nothing. >>if we could put our best foot
 forward to let go our
 >  reaction to the effects of  all existing forms, not be affected by it,
 >  just accept as is, we end our suffering.>>
 If we want nothing, then why will we want to put our best foot forward? I
 think if Buddhism had become the predominant religion of the world, we would
 all be living in huts and caves right now.
 That might not be a bad thing, but to some degree buddhism is demotivating
 and defuses desire, ambition, determination, perseverence, and many other
 qualities that are essential for success in society. Is Buddhism for people
 who are vegetables, or is it just a tool to reduce stress?

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