Thank you for your advice. I am not unfamiliar with zazen, and am actually 
practising it, though not very effectively. There is something more than just 
zazen that involves human behavior that zen (or particularly you, but I am not 
blaming you) seems to say that karma does not work. That sort of troubles me. 
You say (if I am not misunderstanding) zen is now separate from Buddhism. That 
is why? karma does not work. Or don't worry about karma. On the other hand, I 
admire zen philosophy (if there is any) that does away with supersitition. We 
can 'kill' anything including Buddha. Tell me if I am right or why wrong. I 
have other questions to ask you.

--- On Sat, 4/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Zen] Aging and Zen
Date: Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 12:38 PM


If you need a purpose to guide your actions, or you need a promise of reward or 
threat of retribution to convince you not to kill, burn, steal, or rape, try 
Christianity or one of the many other religions that provide you with an 
external daddy that will tell you what to do and punish you if you don't.

If your request 'Please enlighten me.' was not just rhetorical, I suggest you 
begin by giving zen mediation (zazen) a try. There are any number of web sites 
which can instruct you one the basics, or better yet find a sangha (zen 
community) near you that has a qualified teacher.

Good luck on your practice...Bill! 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Wu
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Aging and Zen

That sounds like materialism. When we die, we return to atoms and molecules.. 
Nothing else. No heaven and no hell. So we can kill, burn, steal, rape... No 
retrubution, no karma. What is the purpose of working hard on zen or others? 
Please enlighten me.


--- On Sat, 4/10/08, Al <actionheroes@> wrote:
From: Al <actionheroes@>
Subject: [Zen] Aging and Zen
Date: Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 2:14 AM
As we all get older, and some of us are a lot older, the question for 
me now is this: Does Zen give you everything you want? Are you willing 
to die sitting on a cushion just saying "this is it?" No Heaven for 
you? No Nirvana? No nothing? Just worms??

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