Mac A. Roni, I'll respond to your recent post line by line, but first I want to make sure we're both talking about the same thing when we talk about the ability to determine right from wrong. It appears you use the term 'morality' for that, and so do I. I define 'morality' the same way it is defined by Wikitionary:
'The ability to distinguish good and evil or right and wrong, right or good conduct; Motivation based on ideas of right and wrong.' So, if you have a different concept of these terms, let me know and read no further. Otherwise my responses to your post are below: >So if you are a child you will know right from wrong just by doing >zazen? If you are a child (or anyone else no matter what age) you will NOT learn right from wrong by doing zazen. You learn right from wrong through teachings and examples from a external sources - like your parents, big sisters or brothers, friends, neighbors, teachers - and maybe even by going to a Christian Bible-study class, a Jewish yeshiva or a Islamic madrassa. >Basically you are arguing that Zen has no morality,... Correct. Zen rejects dualistic thinking which would include the dualism of labeling an act right or wrong, moral or immoral. >...and you get morality from Christianity? Correct, and also from most other religions and other external sources like the examples cited above. >So if the world was Zen only it would be an amoral world where >nobody would teach any kind of morals because >morals are not necessary or enlightened? Correct. You used the correct term - amoral which is defined by Wikionary as 'being neither moral nor immoral; not believing in or caring for morality and immorality'. For a person possessing a pasta pseudonym you're pretty perceptive! ...Bill! ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/