Bill-

Good! :-)

Artie

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
>
> Artie,
> 
> Crystal!
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of roloro1557
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:22 PM
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Other traditions
> 
>   
> I agree with Bill on this very much. When people ask me I tell them I am a
> zennist (some of the old Chinese masters used this word), not a buddhist. I
> think zen definitely is not a sub-set or in any way dependent on buddhism. I
> also agree with Thomas Cleary, as he said in one of his translations: That
> zen requires awareness alone, does not depend on a particular background in
> any form of Asian culture, that zen applies directly to the relationship
> between mind and culture itself, no matter what that culture may be, and
> therefore it relates immediately to the way in which the world is
> experienced and life is lived, wherever one may be. 
> 
> While I respect other people's choices deeply- religion, "spiritual
> movements', etc do not interest me in the least- to me they grossly
> over-complicate what is actually a very simple matter. To me, while
> mysticism can be very pretty, it's really just another layer of concepts and
> judgements that will have to be dropped later - so why pick it up in the
> first place? I hope I'm being clear and making sense :-)
> 
> Artie
> 
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <BillSmart@> wrote:
> 
> > As I said in an earlier post, I don't consider zen a sub-set or
> exclusively dependent upon Buddhism. 
> 
> 
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