In keeping posting, you are not shutting up either. Make no mistake. You are 
welcome to post. A heart transplant, just as a kidney transplant, or even a 
blood transfusion, can change personality. But the main characteristics of the 
persons remain unchanged before and after the operation. It is wrong that you 
associate thinking with the heart. The brain plays the key role in thinking. 

--- On Mon, 4/10/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <> wrote:

From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Mind
Date: Monday, 4 October, 2010, 1:49 PM


Hi Anthony,

If you research, you shall find there were two cases of heart transplant, as 
far as I read, changed the personality of the recipient to that of the donor.  

But the statement above is a scientific one, which has no value in Chan.  Just 
like your statement.

In Chan, however, it is my direct experience as well as the experience of many 
of my fellow practitioners, when the mind drops, the heart shines and we become 
one with the ONE.

Similarly, I recommend that we all sit down, shut up and stop thinking every 
day, same time, same place for one hour.

The truth will be unfold.  I guarantee.

Head Teacher
Order Of Buddha Heart
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can

On 10/3/2010 4:37 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: 

Thank you for interesting posts as always. We need a different points of views 
to avoid dullness. Yours is always refreshing, and unfortunately also 
The reason that in Chinese literature there is only the word 'heart', when it 
should mean 'mind' is that there is no Chinese equivalent of the word mind. 
More than a thousand years ago, when Kumarajiwa was racking his brain to 
translate 'citta' (Sanskrit mind), he was so smart to understand the Chinese 
associated thinking with the heart. That is why you always hear 'xin', 'xin', 
and 'xin'. That does not mean the heart has a critical function of thinking. No 
doubt it is a very important organ. Besides the normal function of pumping 
blood, it plays a critical role in every kind of 'chi' manipulation, including 
the Tantric 'heart chakra'. Nevertheless, the organ closest to the thinking 
process is the brain, not the heart. If I have a heart transplant, needless to 
say, I will still be called Anthony. If, on the other hand, a brain transplant? 
Would it be more appropriate to adopt the name Frankenstein the Second?

--- On Sun, 3/10/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <> wrote:

From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <>
Subject: [Zen] Mind
Date: Sunday, 3 October, 2010, 8:17 AM


Hi DP,

Science will tell you, there are more neuron firing to the brain from 
the stomach then the other way around. Similarly there are more neuron 
from the sub conscience, from the heart, from other organs, from the 
entire body...

In Chan, wisdom is not from the brain, but from the heart within.

Whether you called it Buddhist mind, or mind, or Christian mind, 
everyone of us has gotten only one mind. And to confuse you some more, 
Chan does not use the word of "mind", but "heart".

As you see, words are very confusing. Therefore we often say...

"Chan is not to be understood, studied or mastered. Chan is to be 
practiced and experienced. And there is only one way to enter the 
experience -- to meditate." Not 10 minutes, but at least 45 minutes to 
an hour everyday. There is nothing needs to be understood.

There is a saying in the Zen community - sit down, shut up and stop 

Then the gate opens up.

Bon Voyage,

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can

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