Thanks Jody.  Doesn't the Soto tradition uses koans?.
Should be understood them that slaps the lady received in the koan given,  were 
defectuos because nobody can awake anybody else except for oneselves?
--- On Fri, 8/10/10, Jody W. Ianuzzi <> wrote:

From: Jody W. Ianuzzi <>
Subject: RE: [Zen] New member.
Date: Friday, 8 October, 2010, 17:10


Hello Mayka,

It is my understanding that Soto Zen is just about sitting and Renzei Zen is
about koans.

When the Roshi slaps a student in Renzei it is not punishment it is to wake
them up and bring them to the moment. The student bows in gratitude for the


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