Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caodong
Dogen brought Caodong Zen to Japan, indeed. His book, Shobogenzo, is a compilation of talks on various aspects of Zen, how to sit, how to arrange a monastery, can women be enlightened, what is the difference between the rice and the picture of rice, that sort of thinig. --Chris On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Anthony Wu <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Chris, > > Frankly, I am not familiar with Dogen. Was he Japanese? If so, he was not > the founder, because Soto Sect comes from China. As far as I can recall, > So-to consists of two words, representing two men. I may be wrong. Can you > give a brief introduction of Dogen? > > Anthony > > --- On *Sat, 9/10/10, Chris Austin-Lane <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: Chris Austin-Lane <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Zen] New member. > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, 9 October, 2010, 7:39 AM > > > > Dogen (the founder of Soto) quotes a number of well known koans in > Shobogenzo. There are no hard and fast lines between any pieces of reality. > > > --Chris > > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Anthony Wu > <[email protected]<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Chris, > > Any zen practice can be a mixture of different lineages. Now the > distinction between Soto and Rinzai is blurred. So a zombie can talk, > especially after a brain transplant and being equipped with Microsoft > Windows 7. > > Master Fronthorn (Maezumi Roshi) was a good friend of Seung Sahn. Both have > been very nice and enlightening. > > Anthony > > --- On *Sat, 9/10/10, Chris Austin-Lane > <[email protected]<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > >* wrote: > > > From: Chris Austin-Lane > <[email protected]<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] New member. > > To: > [email protected]<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > Date: Saturday, 9 October, 2010, 6:34 AM > > > > There are koans used in Soto training, but differently from Rinzai - > more to hone the understanding of advanced students than to prod a > student towards an initial experience of non-duality. > > Bill! describes the Rinzai training, where I have heard Mu or some > other intro koan is used to move the student towards a visceral > experience of non-duality. After than, other koans are used to refine > and deepen the perspective gained from experiencing non-duality in a > more thorough and ongoing way. > > The hitting with a stick is funnily different as well - in Rinzai, > they will strike you from front, so you can expect it. In Soto, they > won't hit so often, but it will be from behind so you are surprised. > I've never sat where they used the sticks, I can't really comment. My > teacher would sometimes bang stuff together to make a sudden loud > noise, which would energize people a bit. She also kept it very cold > in the morning/winter. > > Another difference is the speed of kinhin. A pure Soto lineage will > walk very slowly, and only after 40 minutes or longer of sitting. > Rinzai I understand is 25 minutes of sitting and faster walking. My > teacher in Maryland (in the Maezumi lineage), we sat for 25 minutes > and would sometimes walk faster, sometimes walk slower. > > Also, a lot of US Zen training is from a dual-lineage, Sanbyo Kyodan > tradition, which uses a bit of each. Maezumi Roshi was in that > lineage. > > --Chris > > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Jody W. Ianuzzi > <[email protected]<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jody%40thewhitehats.com>> > wrote: > > Hello Mayka, > > > > Usually the slaps are given to awaken someone who has fallen asleep. The > > enlightened awakening comes from inside. You can get drowsy and less > > focused and the slap is to make you pay attention. I don't think there > are > > koans in soto but maybe someone more knowledgeable then me can answer. > > > > JODY > > > > > > > > > >
