At best psychology is a pseudo-science. In law school we were taught that
psychologists make uselss expert witnesses because for every theory argued
is another one that gives an opposing view, therefore cancelling each other out.
From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, 24 October, 2010 21:45:59
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine
Google [Is psychology scientific?] and you will get 30 million results from
which you can select arguments to support whatever POV you hold, which POV was
already determined for you by your mind for reasons unknown to you or me.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
So are you saying that psychology is not scientific?
Bill, now I have to say that your response reminds me of a creationist exposed
to an argument from an evolutionist - automatic close-mindedness before fully
digesting what's been offered! : ) I must admit that the rather Freudian
flavour of the article (I/me/mine) can be somewhat off-putting, but I guess he
does state that it is only used as a "shorthand" to describe different aspects
of the "self". My major problem with the artcicle is that it seems to presents
itself as science but in nature is much more about the psychological effects of
what happens pre- and post kensho.
Bill, Mike, Mayka, JM and All, does this below look kosher to you? Thanks, ED
"Q. Zen emphasizes a kind of selflessness, or self-transcendence. Why is this
desirable, and why so difficult to achieve?
Let's take your last question first. It is difficult to escape from the
habits of our many-sided self.
This is because some of our egocentricities are not only innate, but are
habit-patterns that have hardened ever since we were infants.
It is very difficult to reverse any conditioned behaviors that have had such a
long head start.
Zen and the Brain discusses a way to represent -- as a psychological construct
-- this complex we refer to as "self." For shorthand purposes of description,
one may think of this "self" in terms of its three interactive components: I ,
Me, and Mine.
Unfortunately, it takes years to fully realize that this triad combines
liabilities with assets. True, this I-Me-Mine complex does confer survival
on each person.
But many dark, unfruitful aspects also inhabit the triad. The I is arrogant;
Me feels besieged; the Mine is captured by its greedy impulses. The result
generates much anguish and impairs our performance.
Before I started Zen training, I could never have imagined how it would feel to
lose the "self." Nor could I have then foreseen how much this fact of
implies for our scientific understanding of consciousness.
Only after I underwent two different kinds of alternate state experiences --
more superficial and one at a deeper level -- would it become obvious: each
event had peeled off different layers of my egocentric self.
A term, internal absorption, describes the first, shallower category of such
experiences. It briefly dissolves the sense of the physical self.
In contrast, the later variety reflects a deeper penetration, an "awakening" to
insight-wisdom. It is also known as kensho-satori in the Zen tradition. In this
category of experiences, the sense of one's psychic self dissolves.
A gardener might recognize this process as reminiscent of a kind of "pruning."
Why? Because during this particular "awakening," many unfruitful aspects of the
triad are seen to drop off.
Thereafter the person finally starts to become liberated from old, maladaptive
Source: James H. Austin, M.D. discussesZen and the Brain )