Bill,
 
Besides sex, probably the following can be close to:
 
-  reading something exciting.
-  solving an engineering problem.
-  playing a losing game.
 
I would love to have kensho to emulate all those activities, but unfortunately 
I have not been up to that level.
 
Anthony

--- On Mon, 8/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote:


From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 8 November, 2010, 12:11 PM


  



Anthony and Kristy,

I don't disagree with your observations below, but couldn't you say the same 
thing about any activity into which you put your whole being - not just sex?

For example - bowling?

...Bill!

From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Wu
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:13 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

Kristy,

I understand. I am 71. When I was young, I had similar experiences, though not 
so often, as it depended on occassions and surroudings. Like you say, that 
explains why Tantrism puts so much significance on sexism, as it definitely is 
'spiritual', in addition to physical. However, there are other ways. How about 
heroin and other drugs? They induce similar experiences. I have not tried them, 
but read some 'fantastic' descriptions. On the other hand, near death 
experiences seem to be another type. There is bliss, but does not appear to be 
'mind blowing'. 

Anthony

--- On Sun, 7/11/10, Kristy McClain <healthypl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Kristy McClain <healthypl...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 7 November, 2010, 6:44 PM

Anthony,

As I have neither the time nor expertise to substitute there.. let me offer a 
more serious thought. 

If you truly are asking a question about if or how sexuality intersects with 
spirituality, I can say that I had an experience wherein there was such a 
fusion of physical body and soul / heart / mind energies (however you interpret 
those), that it was as if space and time fell away or did not exist. There were 
no egos, secrets, inhibitions or thoughts. Consciousness and physicality 
merged. Its primal energy and primordial spirit. Animal intensity but somehow 
driven by a soul awareness for which there are no words. An intensity beyond 
measure and impossible to duplicate exactly. An intimacy so profound it felt 
like touching God-source (however defined). A complete acceptance of energy 
flow.


I couldn't speak for a day. My body tingled for nearly a week. I had no desire 
for food and drank only small amounts of water at a time for days. Its just 
un-defineable. Its experential.

But , for me, it left me believing in "spirit" (beit mind /heart or soul). k


--- On Sat, 11/6/10, Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:

From: Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 4:50 PM

K and E,

My local zen center just had the teacher quit. Who will apply for the job to 
supervise the activities in the basement?

A

--- On Sun, 7/11/10, Kristy McClain <healthypl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Kristy McClain <healthypl...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 7 November, 2010, 2:43 AM


Good Morning Ed,

I think you may be confusing femininst with fem-domme here. Its likely that Tim 
understands the joys of ball-clamps better than most.

As for Anthony-- if pain and pleasure are the yin /yang of lust, perhaps a 
dungeon in the basement of his local zen center is precisely where he should 
begin his journey.

Rainy here today. I love a rany day now and again. A day for tea and 
contemplation, or simply a day to stay in bed? Perhaps the net experience is 
the same. 

Be well.. k



--- On Sat, 11/6/10, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 8:57 AM


OTOH, one ball-breaking liaison with an American feminist might cure A's 
curiosity about Tantric sex for good! ;-) e

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain <healthypl...@...> wrote:
>
> *chuckles*
> 
> Well then-- I dare say that you have a homework assignment this weekend. 
> Please don't spare us any of the details Monday morning.
> 
> Is it comparable with buddhism? I can offer that Bill IS correct on this 
> point because it truly is 'just this'! A true experience of universal 
> one-ness, with no need for ego, intellect or thought of any kind. I invite 
> you to seek your tantric tigress and let the flow of energy be your guide. 
> Enjoy ;) k

> Kristy,
> I haven't had a mind blowing experience for a long time, but I will search in 
> my memory to locate it. 
> My curiosity on Tantrism in regard to sex remains. Is it compatible with 
> Buddhism? 
> Anthony

> Anthony;)
> 
> One experience of truly mind-blowing sex can tell you this. Enjoy your 
> weekend...K

> ......"they shed light on the relationship with lust and spiritualism.
> 
> I am curious why Tantrism attaches so much significance to that.
> 
> Anthony

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