Bill,
 
Before I answer your question, please answer the following first:
 
Who says even if God did not exist, we should create one.
 
Why did he say that?
 
Anthony

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From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 22 November, 2010, 12:23 PM


  



Anthony,

In the paragraph below you say ‘…we need a deterrent against atrocities…’. Why 
do YOU (not Pol Pot, not Hitler, not Chris, not Bill!) need a deterrent against 
atrocities?

…Bill!

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Anthony Wu
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 4:03 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

Chris,

If Hitler and Pol Pot were alive, they would not testify whether their 
conscience suffered. On the other hand, Hitler would have continued his 
nightmares without killing 10 million Jews. Like you said regarding the SS, so 
many people went along with him. I don't think all of them had nightmares. If 
so, the war deaths might have been cut in half. So we need a deterrent against 
atrocities, and afterlife retribution and religios hell are effective ones. 
That is why somebody says (do you remember who it is?) that even if God did not 
exist, we should create one.

Anthony
from the Land of the Red Guard

--- On Sun, 21/11/10, ChrisAustinLane <ch...@austin-lane.net> wrote:

From: ChrisAustinLane <ch...@austin-lane.net>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book
To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 21 November, 2010, 9:19 AM


Thanks, 
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent from a cell phone

On Nov 20, 2010, at 13:03, Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
Bill,

Chris' theory applies to you and Chris himself, but not to someone like Hitler 
or Pol Pot. They committed atrocities without compunction. No suffering in any 
part of their bodies and minds.

Anthony

That seems like a pretty strong claim. What is the evidence for that theory 
about their lack of suffering? 

I have read at least once that Hitler (Alice Miller, some essay about the roots 
of adult violence in the cruelty
of childhood) suffered nightmares many nights where he relived some childhood 
beating, determined not to cry this time. 

Somewhat at a tangent, part of the horror of the 20th c genocides is that so 
many people in the societies went along with it. The puzzle isn't Hitler so 
much as the SS. 

Anyways, Hitler and Pol Pot are dead and will never be a part of my current 
moment, so I have even less reason to speculate whether my experience is true 
for them than whether it is true for my Gov't representatives. 

Generally, the question of what others should do doesn't come before me, only 
whether I am about to stub my toe or not. 

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